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Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by iron0013 »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #59
operatorius wrote: post #9

Wish this would apply as well to the Armenian genocide denial content and other genocides in general. Cause, you know, there have been many more other genocides throughout the history but apparently there is only one that fits the Western/Eurocentric view

Says a lot that this comment got downvoted... If the Armenian genocide would have the same amount of "advertising" as holocaust does it would be on the same level of "notoriety". The media complex creates a very disproportionate cult around certain events: the holomodor claimed 2x lives as the holocaust and yet it's hardly ever mentioned. Everyone knows of holocaust but most will go "huh?" when you ask them about hol…

“Holodomor” is mentioned all the time by the conservatives and neo-Nazis that made it a meme in the first place

Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by eitland »

nailer wrote: post #73
vorpalhex wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you have them weigh in on the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, or Tianenman? Each of those conflicts has deniers of various levels, some of whom are states. And, if Facebook gets it wrong (and perhaps decides the Tianenman square massacre was a hoax by the West to discredit the CCP) - how should we respond then? This is a company that was censoring pictures of mothers feeding their babies, but still has conten…

I'm not sure why this is downvoted. There are many people, particularly in Tukey, who deny the Armenian genocide (hell there's a even a podcast named after the people that did it). Tiananmen is also downplayed by CCP officials outside China and denied within China.

Probably because the comment is taken to mean that we shouldn't do anything about this case because we aren't doing enough on the other ones.

Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by [deleted] »

eitland wrote: post #86
vorpalhex wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you have them weigh in on the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, or Tianenman? Each of those conflicts has deniers of various levels, some of whom are states. And, if Facebook gets it wrong (and perhaps decides the Tianenman square massacre was a hoax by the West to discredit the CCP) - how should we respond then? This is a company that was censoring pictures of mothers feeding their babies, but still has conten…

> How would you have them weigh in on the Armenian Genocide, Holodomor, or Tianenman? Let's not forget any of them! > Each of those conflicts has deniers of various levels, some of whom are states. Keep reminding our politicians. > And, if Facebook gets it wrong (and perhaps decides the Tianenman square massacre was a hoax by the West to discredit the CCP) - how should we respond then? Let's not hesitate doing the ob…

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Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by Mvandenbergh »

shrubble wrote: post #60

It's how it starts though, with an easy target... when say 3 years from now, you can't criticize FB for their known co-operation with the surveillance programs of the government without having your content automatically detected and removed, you might have a different view. This is only because of FB's refusal to let you more easily control what is seen on your feed. You controlling the feed settings would remove FBs…

Come on. First they came for the Nazis?

Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

#96

Post by [deleted] »

OneGuy123 wrote: post #59
operatorius wrote: post #9

Wish this would apply as well to the Armenian genocide denial content and other genocides in general. Cause, you know, there have been many more other genocides throughout the history but apparently there is only one that fits the Western/Eurocentric view

Says a lot that this comment got downvoted... If the Armenian genocide would have the same amount of "advertising" as holocaust does it would be on the same level of "notoriety". The media complex creates a very disproportionate cult around certain events: the holomodor claimed 2x lives as the holocaust and yet it's hardly ever mentioned. Everyone knows of holocaust but most will go "huh?" when you ask them about hol…

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Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by s9w »

I live in a country where even giving slightly wrong numbers on this event or making jokes about it did punish people with life-destroying convictions. So I can't speak my mind. But I can't recommend following the route of Europe on this. Nothing good comes from this... my country still covers up other genocides (armenian) so it's not about being right or wrong. Protect the little freedom of speech the US still has.

Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by nailer »

duxup wrote: post #78
rednerrus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do we draw the line? Is this a Pacifica kind of issue where we'll know it when we see it?

"especially when those said groups are overtly and unmistakably intolerant themselves" To me that seems like a pretty clear line. Some groups will invariably try to straddle it, but plenty of groups on Facebook make it quite clear their level of hate for others.

Sure:

> This heavy-handedness isn't an encroachment on free speech but a necessary impediment to keep the spirit of free speech and free society intact, one where the tolerant voices aren't drained out by the relentlessness and irrationality of the intolerant.

Could easily be used to ban Islam on Facebook. Or Scientology. Or far left / far right governments. Or Antifa / Proud Boys / other vigilante groups. Or popularly supported groups with a fringe element (BLM). Or free market capitalists, or communists.

As one should already gather from reading above, I am not suggesting that Facebook should ban any of these.

Ultimately every group doesn't tolerate something, and this argument could be used to ban them.

Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by cwperkins »

runarberg wrote: post #18
jimbob45 wrote: post #15

Censoring opposition has not once yielded positive results in the history of the world. My personal conspiracy theory is that policies like these are subversively being used to push HD since no one could possibly be stupid enough to think this would help.

Hasn’t it? Do you have any examples, or should I just take your word for it?

Idk what Facebook's decision will yield and I want a healthier discourse more than anyone else. The thing I would like to add to the conversation is that I think its important to know what people like Nick Cannon think or DeSean Jackson and Louis Farrakhan. Many prominent celebrities are followers like Snoop Dogg and P. Diddy.

When Nick Cannon came on air and said horrible things he got challenged and presumably (at least I hope), understands how his comments came off.

The main battle online is disinformation from not genuine sources. Many Holocaust deniers fit this bill and should be removed. That being said, there also needs to be room to discuss history and try to understand the events that led up to historical atrocities and I really want to know what the best way is to facilitate healthy discourse. I think the current method of upvoting and downvoting on the internet leads to an inorganic and not a serendipitous experience.

NYT and WSJ have sections for Featured Comments in an effort to put insightful comments at the top and eliminate recency bias. I just want to do anything to fight the tribalism happening in the USA.

Re: Removing Holocaust Denial Content

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Post by Uberphallus »

That would be amazing if I hadn't been blocked for posting obvious jokes and satire, and for using expressions like "white trash" (I'm white btw).

Then on my free time I report tons of people and groups sharing CP, and they're rarely banned, the groups seldom removed... simply because the pedophiles paint strokes over the snapshots of the stuff they share. You can't see the genitals and face of the kid? It's no longer CP for FB.

That kind of stuff is what later fuels conspiracy theories like pizzagate.

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