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A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by ewelina_fym »

ewelina_fym wrote: post #116
gonehome wrote: post #30

I think this will push me to finally just jump to Apple Music (even though it’s worse and will now be harder to do, plus I’ll miss discover weekly). Spotify’s attack on podcasts with exclusivity and trying to destroy the open standard really bothers me: https://stratechery.com/2020/dithering-and-the-open-web/ Now with this I just don’t have much respect for them. When paired with their complaining about Apple’s polic…

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Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by ragazzina »

theshrike79 wrote: post #42
madbkarim wrote: post #33

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Playing devil’s advocate here. But, I think it can be bad for Spotify if the user copies the playlist that’s being curated by Spotify to another streaming service. It’s good for them if they could add some friction to it by, you know—manually copy it and doesn’t let it update automatically every time they make a change to the playlist—by shutting down the API for this kind of request altogether. It’s not about “allow…

This is exactly what I use SongShift for :D Apple's "New Music Mix" is absolute shit compared to Spotify's "Discover Weekly". Most of the stuff Spotify suggests to me are either complete bangers or listen-worthy at worst. Apple's stuff though... It's like they don't have ANY intelligence in the system at all. I listen to 80's gangsta-rap once, then I get modern mumblerap shit for months and months. BUT I do love how…

>Most of the stuff Spotify suggests to me are either complete bangers or listen-worthy at worst.

Can I ask you how many songs are in your Liked playlist? It's a lucky week if I find 3 songs that I like in my Discover Weekly. The rest are forgettable at best, often terrible. I think I am not using Spotify the way I'm supposed to, because i find it really hard to discover new music I like.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by edanm »

digdigdag wrote: post #128
theturtletalks wrote: post #113

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Songshift could allow users to add their own API keys to allow transfers at their own risk.

...and spotify would then sue SongShift. Because why not? Even if you can empirically prove that SongShift is in the right and the API keys belong to the end users, Spotify would only need to litigate long enough for SongShift to give in, settle and disable such a feature again. That's how this game works.

I mean, wouldn't this worldview imply that literally any company with cash will be able to cause any company with less cash to do whatever they wanted?

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by r-w »

digdigdag wrote: post #128
theturtletalks wrote: post #113

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Songshift could allow users to add their own API keys to allow transfers at their own risk.

...and spotify would then sue SongShift. Because why not? Even if you can empirically prove that SongShift is in the right and the API keys belong to the end users, Spotify would only need to litigate long enough for SongShift to give in, settle and disable such a feature again. That's how this game works.

Anti-SLAPP is a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by nxc18 »

tpush wrote: post #157
nxc18 wrote: post #114

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I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

> Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Why would that be?

When I started using Apple Music (I tried them before Tidal) the music sounded really tinny and sharp - sonic equivalent of an over sharpened image. At first I thought my headphones were broken.

I listen with WH-1000XM3 and ATH-M50x and the Apple Music encoding sounded really, really bad to my ear. It’s not the bitrate, which should be fine, it’s the sound of the audio which is totally different from other services.

I suspect they have optimized for low quality devices like AirPods and earbuds; I expect the oversharpening might be rated as better on those devices.

FWIW Tidal and Spotify sound the same at their standard premium tier. I can’t hear the difference between Spotify and Tidal HiFi on my Bluetooth (AptX) Sony headphones, but I can hear the difference with my wired ATH-M50x.

I recommend listening to the services side by side, preferably with desktop client to compare. In Spotify you may want to adjust the streaming quality to high from auto, as I always do, to be sure it’s a fair comparison. Sadly Apple doesn’t seem to give a choice in quality, but based on reading my understanding is they always default to high - I could be wrong.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by nxc18 »

kalleboo wrote: post #146
nxc18 wrote: post #114

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I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

> Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately That's funny, just a few comments up there's someone saying that Apple Music sounds better than Spotify

I commented on another post below, but tldr I suspect Apple is heavily optimized for earbuds and cheap speakers rather than higher end audio equipment which I typically use (if you count ~$150 headphones as high end).

I’m not exactly an audiophile but Apple Music sounds noticeably bad with my headphones to the point I thought they were broken. Then I thought it was my PC but it sounded just as bad on a MacBook Pro.

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Post by agentdrtran »

xmprt wrote: post #153
rtsil wrote: post #110

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I'm on Google Play Music and won't move to Youtube music because it's awful, and Shopify was my preferred destination until today. But seeing how hard they make it for users to move out, I'm not interested anymore. At least Google Takeout allows me to export my GPM data very easily.

What's wrong with YouTube Music in your opinion? I haven't tried it out much but YouTube has a really good video player and an extensive library of music videos and music in general so I'm surprised you'd say it's awful.

the app and overall design of the service is, like many Google entertainment products, half-baked at best

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Post by vr46 »

edanm wrote: post #163
digdigdag wrote: post #128

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...and spotify would then sue SongShift. Because why not? Even if you can empirically prove that SongShift is in the right and the API keys belong to the end users, Spotify would only need to litigate long enough for SongShift to give in, settle and disable such a feature again. That's how this game works.

I mean, wouldn't this worldview imply that literally any company with cash will be able to cause any company with less cash to do whatever they wanted?

The golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

tracer4201 wrote: post #117
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #63

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> They say it can take up to 30 days to process. What the heck... My current day-job is a multi-tenant SaaS system - every single entity in any of our heterogenous databases is tagged with a tenant identifier (it's also used in composite PKs/FKs in RDBMS databases to prevent incorrect inter-tenant references). Every database system we use (MSSQL, MySQL, Cassandra, etc) has some way to query itself (INFORMATION_SCHEMA…

This is a very naive view "If I can do in Y time, why can't ?". Any large company has a tens, hundreds, or even thousands of different teams who may own a system with some data that identifies you as a customer. Presumably, they're on the hook for serving you (the customer) all of this data when you ask for it. Honestly, I'd hate to be a legal counsel at a company having to sift through every attribute/data column tr…

You’re not wrong (and I’ve upvoted you too) - but given the importance of complying with the spirit of the GDPR and other consumer-first regs - especially given that Spotify is HQ in the EU they should be doing more. You do set-out a reasonable explanation for non-immediate data-dumps, but from the evidence I believe companies like Spotify and many others intentionally drag their feet and do the bare minimum, at least in-part, to discourage requests. Of course that also makes it bloody obvious too. More telling is the fact that they aren’t being transparent about it either. If they posted a simple statement explaining in-not-too-much-technical-detail why it takes so long that would be a start.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by navels »

chance_state wrote: post #71
navels wrote: post #36

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Until Spotify releases a proper Apple Watch app, yes. I really need to get myself off Spotify, but I have too much automation in place.

What kind of Spotify automations do you have?

The main thing is a cron job that scrapes a private music blog that I'm a member of and updates a playlist. Then another script that can tell when I've listened to a song on that playlist. If I favorited the song, it gets moved to another playlist (bands to further investigate). If I didn't favorite the song, it is deleted.
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