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In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by alkonaut »

CydeWeys wrote: post #34
SRTP wrote: post #31

I live in Singapore and estimate my monthly data usage is around 20 GB / mo. I pay about 15 USD/mo.

Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

Just watching one movie or ~2h sports game in a hotel with crappy wifi (so you use your 4G) in HD, will eat quite a bit of data. Same if you watch netflix during a 2x30 minute commute every day.

Obviously if you don't watch video it's extremely hard to get close to these bandwidhs on a smartphone.

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Post by simonjgreen »

ksec wrote: post #111
jlokier wrote: post #57

UK here. I pay £20/month (USD $26) for unlimited data, voice and SMS. I have two such SIMs, one for the home router (because it's cheaper and faster than FTTC) and another for my phone. Usage varies, but on a busy month the home SIM will see 100-300 GB, mostly for Netflix. The phone SIM sees about 10-30 GB. Speed varies by time of day, but at peak it's 90 Mbit/s down, 20 Mbit/s up. At the slowest times of day it drop…

Interesting, do they actually use the term FTTC during marketing? As far as I am aware, FTTC is just VDSL2 up to 35b or G.Fast ( or Cable DOCSIS 3.1 which isn't popular in UK ).

Yes they use the term fttc. It's vdsl up to an 80/20 profile.

Docsis is very very popular, virgin media is the only national Docsis network and accounts for a significant portion of urban connections (though less than the percentage that would trigger a competition breakup like bt)

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by tupputuppu »

torben-friis wrote: post #11

I've got unlimited mobile data for a great price in spain as well. Honestly, I hope the us catches up at some point because software still doesn't even consider it an option - I have to actively fight all my settings so I can get updates, backups, streaming at high quality and the like because the OS considers they should always be done on wifi. Sometimes, the situation has been so absurd that I've had to use the sha…

Yes! I hate the fact that iPhones don't update or backup over mobile. My unlimited mobile data is 300mbps compared to my fixed 100mbps. Why, oh why has Apple not allowed me the option of using my mobile data how I want to?

I've got my mom and grandpa on same mobile plans without any fixed connectivity and the only time their iPhones backup is when I visit and hotspot them. It's crazy!

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Post by Sharlin »

pathseeker wrote: post #85
dheera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish the US could institute some legal framework against deceptive advertising. Unlimited should mean unlimited, not throttled. If you are offering a 20GB plan, just say you are offering a 20GB plan. I've tried to use a 4G hotspot to setup my laptop and do work in outdoor parks but the number of times I can do that per month is limited.

>Unlimited should mean unlimited, not throttled. Throttled is still unlimited in the same way as any other connection. Your connection is always throttled, it's just a question if there are two different speeds with the latter triggering after a particular threshold.

That’s just semantic trickstery.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by mackrevinack »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #80

See, I just see that as wildly inefficient. Why do I need to stream videos on the go? If I listen to music, why wouldn't I have it locally? My usage is usually right around 1 GB a month, and I'm constantly on my phone, social media, browsing, etc.

yes especially with music, most of the time I'm listening to the same songs and only listen to new ones maybe 10 or 20% of the time

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dehrmann wrote: post #96
dheera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish the US could institute some legal framework against deceptive advertising. Unlimited should mean unlimited, not throttled. If you are offering a 20GB plan, just say you are offering a 20GB plan. I've tried to use a 4G hotspot to setup my laptop and do work in outdoor parks but the number of times I can do that per month is limited.

It's tricky because for 98% of consumers, "unlimited" is unlimited enough. The realities of operating a mobile network mean you will be throttled when there are a lot of users in your cell so that your Youtube stream drops from 4k to 480p so that someone can browse their Facebook feed. How to advertise this so it isn't deceptive? I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/embed/E2dmfnSarDI?feature=oembed

The bitrate you get when on "unlimited 480p" is typically 1.5Mbps.

The bitrate you get when most plans throttle is 128Kbps, less than a tenth of that speed.

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Post by ulfw »

bogidon wrote: post #99
Causality1 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good if you're single but if you have family something like Cricket's Unlimited Basic gets you unlimited (22GB before throttling) data and talk/text for $25/line for four lines is better.

As an aside, as a single person I feel the discounts that come with family plans to be weirdly discriminatory. I go with prepaid TMobile (10gb for $40) because it’s much cheaper than a regular(?) plan with only 1 line. But to hook my Apple Watch up to cellular, I need the regular plan ($75 for one line + $10 for Apple Watch) as prepaid tech is years behind and second tier (most MVNOs included). That means that the on…

I've had every single Apple Watch since the original one and never had the need to get cellular for it. What's the use case for when you got a watch on you but no phone near it (but still NEED to be reachable somehow)?

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Post by ShinTakuya »

lucb1e wrote: post #53
ShinTakuya wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, if you're catching the train or bus, is it that unusual to want to watch a few YT videos or a 25-60 minute episode on a streaming service? I suspect most people who avoid it are doing it for data reasons.

> is it that unusual to want to watch a few YT videos or a 25-60 minute episode on a streaming service? To want it perhaps not, but do you see people do this around you? I've seen more people gaming (laptop and mouse) on a train than people watching streaming video on the train. There have been more people that watched videos but when they pause for the conductor it's virtually always VLC or WMP, revealing that it's…

>I've seen more people gaming (laptop and mouse) on a train than people watching streaming video on the train

My experience has been different. Sydney, Australia for reference - our data costs are relatively low at about 0.68 USD per GB (down from 1 USD or so last year if I were to guess). When I've looked around on packed trains in the past, about a third of the occupants were watching YouTube or Netflix (very rough estimate). Although obviously this strongly depends on where you are - for instance, when I was living in Japan, most people would be either playing games or reading news.

>revealing that it's pre-downloaded

Sure, but is because that's the way the prefer it, or is it a workaround that they've resorted to due to high data costs? Behaviour is a symptom of circumstance just as much as it is of desire, if that makes sense.

The argument I'm trying to make is that it's not that it's not that there's no demand, it's that the low supply results in people pursuing lower cost/higher effort alternatives.

Edit: But I'm not trying to say you're wrong. It's definitely interesting to hear what happens in the Netherlands and Germany. I appreciate your input.

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