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In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by ksec »

jlokier wrote: post #57

UK here. I pay £20/month (USD $26) for unlimited data, voice and SMS. I have two such SIMs, one for the home router (because it's cheaper and faster than FTTC) and another for my phone. Usage varies, but on a busy month the home SIM will see 100-300 GB, mostly for Netflix. The phone SIM sees about 10-30 GB. Speed varies by time of day, but at peak it's 90 Mbit/s down, 20 Mbit/s up. At the slowest times of day it drop…

Interesting, do they actually use the term FTTC during marketing? As far as I am aware, FTTC is just VDSL2 up to 35b or G.Fast ( or Cable DOCSIS 3.1 which isn't popular in UK ).

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by dheera »

pathseeker wrote: post #85
dheera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish the US could institute some legal framework against deceptive advertising. Unlimited should mean unlimited, not throttled. If you are offering a 20GB plan, just say you are offering a 20GB plan. I've tried to use a 4G hotspot to setup my laptop and do work in outdoor parks but the number of times I can do that per month is limited.

>Unlimited should mean unlimited, not throttled. Throttled is still unlimited in the same way as any other connection. Your connection is always throttled, it's just a question if there are two different speeds with the latter triggering after a particular threshold.

On many carriers you get only 2G speeds after you hit a certain point. I consider that disingenuous and deceptive to call it "unlimited" data when 2G speeds are basically unusable for most modern apps.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by kristopolous »

jiggawatts wrote: post #10
dheera wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish the US could institute some legal framework against deceptive advertising. Unlimited should mean unlimited, not throttled. If you are offering a 20GB plan, just say you are offering a 20GB plan. I've tried to use a 4G hotspot to setup my laptop and do work in outdoor parks but the number of times I can do that per month is limited.

This kind of thing was forced upon Australian telcos, and it's great for consumers. For example, they can no longer advertise the "up to" speeds, they have to use the "typical evening speed", which is what's more relevant to the actual experience.

I've long thought those should be legally pro-rated. Based on distance and signal quality there's a "per user" number for all of these. If you said "X" but based on my distance you can only give me 0.75X then that's how much I pay.

There should be a real financial incentive to upgrade their lousy infrastructure.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by deanclatworthy »

nakkijono wrote: post #16
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Is home internet common in Finland? Or does everything connect to the cellular network?

Almost everyone I know from Finland has home broadband as well. Mostly due to home computers and less than ideal indoor cell service. There was some switch to 4G for home internet (with mifi/usb dongles) as well, mostly due to aggressive pricing some years back. It was a good alternative to ADSL and cheaper, but became congested once a lot of people started using it. Yet, fiber is much more ubiquitous these days and…

Cell service is excellent throughout Finland. I’ve been in remote parts of Lapland and summer cottages and streamed f1 over 4g. Your mileage may vary but pretty much everywhere I get minimum 3G. Cellular is ubiquitous so unless you’re living in a bunker coverage will be excellent. I believe 100mbit is even a human right here?

If you live in a city there’s probably fibre laid down. Anywhere outside unless your neighbourhood pay for the fibre to each home you’re going to have to get a cellular modem :)

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Post by 082349872349872 »

alex_young wrote: post #18

I’d love to see Switzerland’s avg usage. For $30 a month true unlimited where you just don’t even think about data transfer. Speeds in the 100 MB/s range most of the time and people seem to just take it for granted.

Granted, I had to drive an hour then hike an hour more last time I experienced it, but even Swisscom's net has holes.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by unnouinceput »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #104
unnouinceput wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, checked just out of curiosity, I used 640 GB in past 30 days. That's just my PC. Then there is wife's laptop and cell & kids laptops & cells. I suspect my household "eats" every month 1 TB of data. Not that we care anyway.

> Meanwhile, checked just out of curiosity, I used 640 GB in past 30 days. That's just my PC. I am curious how you manage this? Are you torrenting 4k movies continuously?

Yup, something like that.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by isatty »

CydeWeys wrote: post #34
SRTP wrote: post #31

I live in Singapore and estimate my monthly data usage is around 20 GB / mo. I pay about 15 USD/mo.

Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

The way you exceed 10-20+ gb a month is by being so used to having such a high cap if any that you don’t even bother to turn on the WiFi when you’re at home.

I too live in Singapore and the internet infrastructure is excellent. Currently I’m sitting at about 10gb/month on 4g without YouTube/Netflix/social media. I do use a fair amount of Reddit though. I don’t really want to go back to having to care about how much data I’m using.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by jlokier »

ksec wrote: post #111
jlokier wrote: post #57

UK here. I pay £20/month (USD $26) for unlimited data, voice and SMS. I have two such SIMs, one for the home router (because it's cheaper and faster than FTTC) and another for my phone. Usage varies, but on a busy month the home SIM will see 100-300 GB, mostly for Netflix. The phone SIM sees about 10-30 GB. Speed varies by time of day, but at peak it's 90 Mbit/s down, 20 Mbit/s up. At the slowest times of day it drop…

Interesting, do they actually use the term FTTC during marketing? As far as I am aware, FTTC is just VDSL2 up to 35b or G.Fast ( or Cable DOCSIS 3.1 which isn't popular in UK ).

I originally wrote ADSL in the comment, then realised that was misleading because it wasn't old-school ADSL to the exchange. There's a fibre component and it's still worse than 4G for my needs :-)

So I edited the comment to FTTC for clarification. When sold it was probably just "Superfast Broadband".

Looking at marketing now, I see "Faster Broadband", "Fibre Broadband", "Superfast Fibre", "Ultrafast Fibre", "Fibre Optic Broadband"... It's impossible to tell from marketing whether it's FTTC, FTTP or something else.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Post by Namidairo »

bowmessage wrote: post #38
jjnoakes wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, how does a phone know the WiFi is metered?

I believe this is what the comment is referencing: https://android.stackexchange.com/a/220981

There's also the Microsoft probe/beacon extension that exists.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/mo...

I don't know what iOS is doing, as they still didn't have proper data metering and limiting the last time I checked.

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Post by ornornor »

northwest65 wrote: post #63
TuringNYC wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a decade ago, SMS messages in the US cost 10 to 25 cents per SMS . You also got charged for spam SMS. Prices were completely disjointed from the reality of underlying costs (zero for the telcos). My college CS professor gave senate testimony on this: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/keshav_testim... (side rant: in the following ten years, the tech giants sweeped in, competed, provided a better serv…

>You also got charged for spam SMS Wait what? They charge you for receiving text messages or am I not reading that right? Do they also charge you to receive phone calls haha?

Yes you used to pay for incoming calls as well. Now most plans are unlimited.

I guess the rationale was that there is no difference in the numbering plan in North America between cell phones and land lines. Calls to a cell phone cost more but the caller has no way to tell they’re calling one. So the caller pays the same to call a cell or a landline and the callee pays to receive the call too so that overall carriers get more money for completing allegedly more expensive cell minutes.

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