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Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
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Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
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Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#2100% uptime is possible, and it's possible today. Nobody complains that their torrents are ever "down".
So to correct: 100% uptime is not possible... with a central point of failure such as a datacenter.
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#3100% uptime is possible, and it's possible today. Nobody complains that their torrents are ever "down". So to correct: 100% uptime is not possible... with a central point of failure such as a datacenter.
Fair enough. I should clarify that it is not impossible, only impossible for now with our existing structures. I think we will get there.
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#4100% uptime is possible, and it's possible today. Nobody complains that their torrents are ever "down". So to correct: 100% uptime is not possible... with a central point of failure such as a datacenter.
I think "feasible" is more of the discussion. Interesting how we learned during the 08 financial crisis that everything is correlated in a crash... I think there are similarities to the cloud, Black Swan fat tails if you will.
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#5100% uptime is possible, and it's possible today. Nobody complains that their torrents are ever "down". So to correct: 100% uptime is not possible... with a central point of failure such as a datacenter.
I think "feasible" is more of the discussion. Interesting how we learned during the 08 financial crisis that everything is correlated in a crash... I think there are similarities to the cloud, Black Swan fat tails if you will.
I thought about including some mention of this. I'm sure Amazon though this specific crisis as a six-sigma event. Taleb points out in the book Black Swan, the sum of all possible six-sigma events happens a lot more often.
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#6100% uptime is possible, and it's possible today. Nobody complains that their torrents are ever "down". So to correct: 100% uptime is not possible... with a central point of failure such as a datacenter.
Fair enough. I should clarify that it is not impossible, only impossible for now with our existing structures. I think we will get there.
Except Netflix weathered this well... those sites just didn't build their infrastructure out to handle this.
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough. I should clarify that it is not impossible, only impossible for now with our existing structures. I think we will get there.
Except Netflix weathered this well... those sites just didn't build their infrastructure out to handle this.
Cross provider scaling is not easy, but necessary for companies of a different size. I expect Quora (and others) to make some changes after this.
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#8Twitter goes down all the time, sure, facebook has dropped off, yeah...
But neither of these things have ever happened for a full day. If twitter goes out, refreshing a few times (this was true even a couple of years ago when the downtime was really bad) usually lets you get through. The worst I remember seeing was a few hours down.
Same goes for facebook. The worst I can recall right now is part of the oauth system bailing out for a few hours.
AWS going out like this is an entirely different disaster. Not only was it down for an entire day, but there were a ton of eggs in the basket.
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#9While I agree this is a good thing, the central issue in my mind is that AWS lead a lot of folks to believe that spanning their application across multiple availability zones was a way to protect against AWS's own failures. They spoke at YC a few months back and recommended this as a primary strategy for dealing with failure. None of their engineers or staff recommended spanning applications across different physical locations.
When all of the dust settles on this mess, thats the one question I'll be demanding from AWS. Also, how will they prevent multiple AZ's from going down simultaneously in the future?
Re: Why the AWS Crash is a Good Thing.
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough. I should clarify that it is not impossible, only impossible for now with our existing structures. I think we will get there.
Except Netflix weathered this well... those sites just didn't build their infrastructure out to handle this.
Netflix has downtime just not full outages, it didn't work for my family and we've had other downtime with them in the recent past. They even sent us a credit a month or two ago because of the outage. Their infrastructure is such that it doesn't go down for everyone, but it does go down from time to time for a subset of their subscribers.