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A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by ec109685 »

eadz wrote: post #125
tpmx wrote: post #4

Seems like an obvious and sane target for antitrust legislation - compare with e.g. the mobile number portability directive in the EU way back in 2002. Related opinion piece: > Data portability: An antitrust weapon for the digital economy? (Le Monde, 2018) http://www.fondapol.org/en/the-foundation/medias-en-en/data-... > In concrete terms, what would portability in the digital economy look like? Let us imagine we cou…

The irony is that Spotify is a partner in the app store fairness coalition ( https://appfairness.org/ ). I consider their developer platform[1] to be an app store of sorts, and they do not play fair when it comes to holding onto their market power in certain areas. Anyone have a contact in the App Fairness Coalition to raise these points with? [1] https://developer.spotify.com/community/showcase/

Yeah, seriously. There isn’t some higher ideal — every company is in it for themselves and then works on justifying the policy that will further their interests through such coalitions.

No doubt that the same company that sends a cease and desist to a developer who provides an export feature would act the same way as Apple if they were in its shoes.

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Post by viraptor »

jrockway wrote: post #107
tpmx wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's obviously not a technical problem. The 30 days comes from the GDPR legislation. Spotify is just behaving like an obnoxious child that needs a good smackdown from the EU. Howevever the GDPR also stipulates that this needs to happen without "undue delay". I'm not a lawyer specializing in EU law, but I think this wording was put there for the precise reason of being able to punish companies that behave like that. T…

I don't think that's fair. If the law sets the limit at 30 days, there is no reason to do it sooner than 30 days. It is obviously a money-losing proposition to do it quickly, and the only reason it's an option at all is because of the law. I guess that makes it a reasonable compromise -- everyone is equally unhappy, but the world is a slightly better place. The reality is that "30 days" translates to "someone will ru…

> there is no reason to do it sooner than 30 days

There is. Any tiny issue puts you past 30 days and invites a slap from the regulator. There's a lot of space between 100ms and 30 days. If you can't run your monthly process twice a day instead for example, you're most likely delaying on purpose - that's the "undue delay" part.

There's a company I know which decided not to pay any invoices until the last possible moment - which one day resulted in the electricity being cut to an office building with hundreds of people. Do you think that was a good decision in the end?

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Post by mehdim »

This is why, according to GDPR and CCPA principles (it is not written as is in the text) we need to include API neutrality for users, as the right to have an API access to 3rd party applications to exercise users' data portability regulations. All of this without the possibility of the company to revoke API access. Like the net neutrality, but for APIs. https://api500.tumblr.com/post/31465739810/what-is-api-neutr...

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by gchucky »

adriang133 wrote: post #123
nxc18 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

I switched to Tidal about 8 months ago (from Spotify) and I have to say about the only thing it has going for it is the slightly better sound quality. Otherwise it is completely inferior to Spotify in each and every way, starting with the core functionality that is a train wreck, at least on macOS. I regularly have issues with the scrobbler getting out of sync, recently playback stops after ~5 seconds when waking my…

For what it's worth, Tidal pays its artists a whole lot more per stream than Spotify does.[1] That's the main reason I'm subscribed to Tidal.

[1] https://www.dittomusic.com/blog/how-much-do-music-streaming-...

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by kalleboo »

gonehome wrote: post #77
theshrike79 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly what I use SongShift for :D Apple's "New Music Mix" is absolute shit compared to Spotify's "Discover Weekly". Most of the stuff Spotify suggests to me are either complete bangers or listen-worthy at worst. Apple's stuff though... It's like they don't have ANY intelligence in the system at all. I listen to 80's gangsta-rap once, then I get modern mumblerap shit for months and months. BUT I do love how…

This is actually a fine thing for Spotify since you’re still paying for both. Now that they’ve threatened songshift they’re forcing you to make a choice (or manually sync). Hopefully you won’t choose Spotify.

Couldn't you do this on the Spotify free tier?

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by kalleboo »

nxc18 wrote: post #114
gonehome wrote: post #30

I think this will push me to finally just jump to Apple Music (even though it’s worse and will now be harder to do, plus I’ll miss discover weekly). Spotify’s attack on podcasts with exclusivity and trying to destroy the open standard really bothers me: https://stratechery.com/2020/dithering-and-the-open-web/ Now with this I just don’t have much respect for them. When paired with their complaining about Apple’s polic…

I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

> Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately

That's funny, just a few comments up there's someone saying that Apple Music sounds better than Spotify

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Post by mb7733 »

pitermach wrote: post #76
mb7733 wrote: post #22

What part of the TOS was violated, according to Spotify?

I'm guessing it was this paragraph in Section IV.1.H of the API terms of service found here: https://developer.spotify.com/terms/#iv > h. Do not transfer Spotify Content to unauthorized third parties, including (i) directly or indirectly transferring any data (including aggregate, anonymous or derivative data) received from Spotify to, or use such data in connection with, any ad network, ad exchange, data broker, or…

Ah yes, it looks like you're right. The corresponding definition of Spotify Content is:

> Spotify Content” means any content, data, information or material made available through the Spotify Platform, Spotify Service or by Spotify. This may include, among other things, sound recordings, short-form videos, cover art, musical works, artist biographies, song lyrics, metadata, playlists, and user data

So it seems that the list of songs that the user "likes" is considered Spotify Content. Does any body know how far this goes? What if one tool accesses the API to extract the list of user's songs into a CSV file, and then a separate tool is used to automatically "like" a list of songs from a CSV file in a competing platform?

Does Spotify really own the (Artist, Song) tuples that make up a list of songs?

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