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In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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I've got unlimited mobile data for a great price in spain as well. Honestly, I hope the us catches up at some point because software still doesn't even consider it an option - I have to actively fight all my settings so I can get updates, backups, streaming at high quality and the like because the OS considers they should always be done on wifi. Sometimes, the situation has been so absurd that I've had to use the sha…

Just a decade ago, SMS messages in the US cost 10 to 25 cents per SMS. You also got charged for spam SMS. Prices were completely disjointed from the reality of underlying costs (zero for the telcos). My college CS professor gave senate testimony on this: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/keshav_testim...

(side rant: in the following ten years, the tech giants sweeped in, competed, provided a better service, with better cross-platform support, for zero dollar immediate cost to the end customer -- gained a massive following (think whatsapp), and are now vilified for their "monopoly" and the "harm" it has caused.)

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

I mean, if you're catching the train or bus, is it that unusual to want to watch a few YT videos or a 25-60 minute episode on a streaming service? I suspect most people who avoid it are doing it for data reasons.

> is it that unusual to want to watch a few YT videos or a 25-60 minute episode on a streaming service?

To want it perhaps not, but do you see people do this around you? I've seen more people gaming (laptop and mouse) on a train than people watching streaming video on the train. There have been more people that watched videos but when they pause for the conductor it's virtually always VLC or WMP, revealing that it's pre-downloaded. (I know VLC can do streaming but I'd have seen buffering here and there and they're much more likely to use the service's own client because of DRM.)

So while I don't say it's weird to have that desire (it would certainly be easier not to have to plan this ahead), yes, it is unusual in the Netherlands. And now that I live in Germany I'd say it's not just unusual but impossible, given their mobile data network coverage.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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post #43

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Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

Being fairly active on social media; especially GIF or video heavy websites will see you churn through 1-2gb a day easily.

There are also clients that can just download those gifs while you're on WiFi for later consumption.

I'm not saying you should do this, just that it's also quite easy to save 90% of your data usage without reducing media consumption if you are so inclined.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Is home internet common in Finland? Or does everything connect to the cellular network?

Many vendors make routers which have 4G modem which then send out a WiFi signal + have Ethernet ports.

In rural areas the ADSL prices started climbing up a few years ago and most moved to cellular (60 euros for 21Mbps ADSL vs 25 euros for 50Mbps 4G). As of recent fiber connections are getting good in rural areas as well, so people are switching to fiber (40 euros for 100/100Mbps, 60 euros for 1000/1000Mbps). People who have both 4G router + fiber are quite rare.

In my experience some channels on 4G are quite ossified and during peak times you might even get a better throughput on 3G.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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The left side of the chart is a surprising cohort, hardly the usual suspects when it comes to being behind the curve. There’s the US, sure, but it’s actually slightly ahead of Norway, and significantly ahead of both Canada and Japan! You have two Scandinavian countries on opposite ends of the spectrum, two east Asian countries on opposite ends, and even two countries with significantly large landmass (look at Russia…

I can answer as a homegrown Canadian. Canada suffers from oligopolies in many industries, telecoms being one of the big ones.

Before I moved away to the US I was grandfathered into a $80CAD 8Gig/month plan and that was actually considered VERY good compared to what was available. Now in the US I pay $50USD for unlimited and burn through 25 gigs a month.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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UK here. I pay £20/month (USD $26) for unlimited data, voice and SMS.

I have two such SIMs, one for the home router (because it's cheaper and faster than FTTC) and another for my phone.

Usage varies, but on a busy month the home SIM will see 100-300 GB, mostly for Netflix. The phone SIM sees about 10-30 GB.

Speed varies by time of day, but at peak it's 90 Mbit/s down, 20 Mbit/s up. At the slowest times of day it drops to about 8 Mbit/s down. The phone is faster than the router, so I've occasionally switched to using the phone to download something large.

Last time I checked, there was technically a cap on the monthly data of 3 TB. For a while they also limited tethering to 30 MB, i.e. using the phone as a wifi hotspot, and then (if they detected it) you could theoretically be charged a lot for tethered data over that cap. But they officially removed that restriction a few years ago.

The links are a bit unreliable. But the FTTC connection I had before was more unreliable, and more than twice the price. The FTTC connection before that was nearly three times the price (gouging - it started out cheaper than quietly kept increasing a lot). And if I move home, I can take my link with me now, instead of being tied into a 12 month contract at a fixed location.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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It doesn't apply to LTE plans though - at least that I've seen. If you want an interesting test, find someone with a Telstra post-paid plan, and get a Boost Mobile SIM in another phone. Run speedtests side by side. Boost, although it's technically Telstra Pre-Paid, seems to be heavily throttled.

I thought it was well known that MVNOs are on lower QoS/prioritisation than the carrier's own main brand(s)? A mate works for Optus and had for a while a bunch of different iPhones of the same generation for testing. Each had the same OS version/etc. One on Optus Business, one on Retail Postpaid and one on a reseller (iirc Virgin). Speed tests side by side were pretty interesting. You could quite clearly see the busi…

Does it actually impact speed or just QoS? I'm on an Optus reseller network and basically can't see any problems - 1080p streaming and Duo video calls work without and with low latency. Even if I'm prioritised lower than business, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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I live in Singapore and estimate my monthly data usage is around 20 GB / mo. I pay about 15 USD/mo.

Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

I use around 15 GB/mo out of my 60 GB/mo plan

Looking at my mobile data usage (which hasn't been reset since August), the top apps are 5 GB YouTube, 3 GB iOS system services (mainly document sync), 2.5 GB tethering, 1 GB photos app, 1.5 GB Twitter, 800 MB LINE messenger, 800 MB App Store, 600 MB music, 500 MB Safari, 500 MB Instagram, 350 MB Podcasts, etc etc

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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I’m not throwing shade but I’m genuinely curious what the infrastructure cost per user is when comparing Europe and US and Canada. Surely it might be part of the problem.

Probably more down to limited competition in the US, honestly. Comparing costs across Western Europe, it’s hard to make the case that it’s an infrastructure cost problem; Germany (dense) is more expensive than Ireland (non-dense) which is more expensive than the UK (dense) which is more expensive than Finland (very non-dense).

Thanks. Yeah that does sound plausible. Canada suffers from anticompetition too.
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