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In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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I've got unlimited mobile data for a great price in spain as well. Honestly, I hope the us catches up at some point because software still doesn't even consider it an option - I have to actively fight all my settings so I can get updates, backups, streaming at high quality and the like because the OS considers they should always be done on wifi. Sometimes, the situation has been so absurd that I've had to use the sha…

I’m not throwing shade but I’m genuinely curious what the infrastructure cost per user is when comparing Europe and US and Canada. Surely it might be part of the problem.

Probably more down to limited competition in the US, honestly. Comparing costs across Western Europe, it’s hard to make the case that it’s an infrastructure cost problem; Germany (dense) is more expensive than Ireland (non-dense) which is more expensive than the UK (dense) which is more expensive than Finland (very non-dense).

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That cost per GB chart is interesting--how can Portugal be 5x more expensive than Spain, or Japan be (what looks like) 30x more expensive than Korea? Are there hidden subsidies or costs driving this or is it from infrastructure, policy, or historical reasons?

Lack of competition, generally.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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I live in Singapore and estimate my monthly data usage is around 20 GB / mo. I pay about 15 USD/mo.

Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

Being fairly active on social media; especially GIF or video heavy websites will see you churn through 1-2gb a day easily.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thing was forced upon Australian telcos, and it's great for consumers. For example, they can no longer advertise the "up to" speeds, they have to use the "typical evening speed", which is what's more relevant to the actual experience.

It doesn't apply to LTE plans though - at least that I've seen. If you want an interesting test, find someone with a Telstra post-paid plan, and get a Boost Mobile SIM in another phone. Run speedtests side by side. Boost, although it's technically Telstra Pre-Paid, seems to be heavily throttled.

I thought it was well known that MVNOs are on lower QoS/prioritisation than the carrier's own main brand(s)?

A mate works for Optus and had for a while a bunch of different iPhones of the same generation for testing.

Each had the same OS version/etc.

One on Optus Business, one on Retail Postpaid and one on a reseller (iirc Virgin).

Speed tests side by side were pretty interesting. You could quite clearly see the business service was getting prioritisation over all the others. Retail was generally better than the Reseller by quite a margin. Some locations (like shopping centres) would restrict the reseller from working at all, and retail would be clamped down on bandwidth.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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I live in Singapore and estimate my monthly data usage is around 20 GB / mo. I pay about 15 USD/mo.

Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

I never exceeded 1GB of mobile data, personal and work combined, literally ever. But I can totally understand how one reaches these figures without doing anything weird: video call meetings, video streaming while commuting or traveling, music streaming throughout the day, maybe also work via tethering when not in the office or at home... it's just that one can choose to not do these things.

On the one hand, I feel like I'm preaching and practicing abstinence by doing things like downloading videos that I want to watch in the bus ahead of time over WiFi. On the other, long-range mobile data only works because we're not all using it at the same time, that's why we we meter it per month: it's a poor man's way of limiting concurrent usage while allowing bursty traffic and keeping the limits understandable to consumers. If you use a lot of data or need a lot of bandwidth reliably (e.g. IT company), running a local network yourself is the obvious way to go today. But with small cells coming to a bus stop near you, and seeing just how easy mobile data is compared to WiFi that can be out of range more easily (or you may be connected to a faraway access point), can be down and nobody is on call to fix it (in a company, someone might be on call for WiFi, but at home?), etc., it seems clear that for 98-99% of people and 90-95% of companies, using mobile data exclusively is the medium-term future (let's say around 2040).

And if it is the future, and since I use anywhere between 50GB and 2TB per month in data on my home internet connection (not counting others in the house), mobile data will need to handle such figures per person as well. More, even, because it will be in the future.

Someone having a 20GB+ mobile data plan is not exactly weird to me, even if with a little bit of foresight you can limit your usage to 1-2GB a month (and that still allows for quite a bit of video calling and occasional videos on the go) and save a bunch of money in 2020 (something on the order of subscribing to both netflix and spotify premium).

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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post #31

I live in Singapore and estimate my monthly data usage is around 20 GB / mo. I pay about 15 USD/mo.

Do you stream a lot of video or something? I can't figure out how people reach these figures. I mainly use my phone for Web browsing, podcasts (mostly downloaded at home), and chatting, and never remotely get close to these figures.

I mean, if you're catching the train or bus, is it that unusual to want to watch a few YT videos or a 25-60 minute episode on a streaming service? I suspect most people who avoid it are doing it for data reasons.

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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The left side of the chart is a surprising cohort, hardly the usual suspects when it comes to being behind the curve. There’s the US, sure, but it’s actually slightly ahead of Norway, and significantly ahead of both Canada and Japan!

You have two Scandinavian countries on opposite ends of the spectrum, two east Asian countries on opposite ends, and even two countries with significantly large landmass (look at Russia only two spots short of Korea). What gives?

Re: In Finland the average amount of data transferred per SIM card is 17.3GB/month

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New Zealand reporting in here, the cheapest plan for unlimited mobile data is around 20 USD/month, but you need 4 people committed together to get such rate. A true independent unlimited mobile connection will set you back $45 USD or so with first 40GB at full speed.

Realistically speaking the 20USD/month is already quite reasonable, if world as it was pre-COVID I might coerce some friends and family to join the plan with me.

But I really would prefer 25 USD no strings attached.

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