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A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by kingosticks »

nxc18 wrote: post #118
kingosticks wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Tidal had absolutely no public API. In this regard they are way behind Spotify so keep that in mind if thinking of switching.

They seem to have a developer program but it requires an application (according to the site). I used a website to transfer my Spotify playlist to Tidal before this recent change. I hope Tidal is prepared to take advantage of Spotify’s customer loyalty bonfire. Not having a strong developer offering isn’t a great look.

I applied a few years ago when it became available in my country but I'm still waiting for them to contact me with the outcome. So they failed the trial I gave their service. Perhaps you have to post some money along with your application. It's a shame, there used to be support in mpd for Tidal but since they won't share their API documentation it's now "defunct". I don't understand the game these streaming companies are playing. Is it some kind of security through obscurity or have they crunched the numbers and the costs outweigh the gains. They've had years to take advantage of Spotify's mis-steps so I won't hold my breath.

There are some reverse engineered API packages out there for Tidal. They might work but that's not what I'm looking for as a paying customer.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by jtbayly »

Spivak wrote: post #85
jtbayly wrote: post #48

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No. It was an attempt to coop free content and profit off of it at the expense of the destruction of the ecosystem.

So yes but also private podcast feeds are a thing. There are plenty of podcasts where you can get credentials to a private feed (maybe it’s ad free, maybe it has bonus content, etc.) by paying them money. Having podcasts that you have to pay to access entirely isn’t that weird.

Nothing wrong with that. The problem is that Spotify is doing its best to break the creator-consumer relationship in order to rent seek in the middle.

And you literally cannot do what you described with Spotify if you are a podcaster. Spotify can decide to do it, but you can’t.

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Post by adriang133 »

nxc18 wrote: post #114
gonehome wrote: post #30

I think this will push me to finally just jump to Apple Music (even though it’s worse and will now be harder to do, plus I’ll miss discover weekly). Spotify’s attack on podcasts with exclusivity and trying to destroy the open standard really bothers me: https://stratechery.com/2020/dithering-and-the-open-web/ Now with this I just don’t have much respect for them. When paired with their complaining about Apple’s polic…

I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

I switched to Tidal about 8 months ago (from Spotify) and I have to say about the only thing it has going for it is the slightly better sound quality.

Otherwise it is completely inferior to Spotify in each and every way, starting with the core functionality that is a train wreck, at least on macOS. I regularly have issues with the scrobbler getting out of sync, recently playback stops after ~5 seconds when waking my mac from sleep and I have to restart it. The experience is just a mess.

On top of that it is 2x the price of Spotify. I am seriously thinking switching back to Spotify just because the SQ difference is not worth the disaster that comes with it.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by siquick »

ghego1 wrote: post #95

I use Tidal and I'm very satisfied, the catalog is huge, and the playlist are really well curated, plus their music suggestions are always spot on. I would suggest anyone using Spotify to switch. On the plus side, Tidal also pays musicians a four times what Spotify does (last time I checked, I can't find the link), which I think is in itself a good reason to prefer it.

I also switched to Tidal after 12 years as a Spotify user. The sound quality is far superior and I much prefer the UI of both the mobile and desktop apps. The only reason I still have the Spotify app installed is to share links to friends as most are still using Spotify.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by eadz »

tpmx wrote: post #4

Seems like an obvious and sane target for antitrust legislation - compare with e.g. the mobile number portability directive in the EU way back in 2002. Related opinion piece: > Data portability: An antitrust weapon for the digital economy? (Le Monde, 2018) http://www.fondapol.org/en/the-foundation/medias-en-en/data-... > In concrete terms, what would portability in the digital economy look like? Let us imagine we cou…

The irony is that Spotify is a partner in the app store fairness coalition (https://appfairness.org/).

I consider their developer platform[1] to be an app store of sorts, and they do not play fair when it comes to holding onto their market power in certain areas.

Anyone have a contact in the App Fairness Coalition to raise these points with?

[1] https://developer.spotify.com/community/showcase/

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by nxc18 »

adriang133 wrote: post #123
nxc18 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

I switched to Tidal about 8 months ago (from Spotify) and I have to say about the only thing it has going for it is the slightly better sound quality. Otherwise it is completely inferior to Spotify in each and every way, starting with the core functionality that is a train wreck, at least on macOS. I regularly have issues with the scrobbler getting out of sync, recently playback stops after ~5 seconds when waking my…

That’s fair, Tidal is definitely not as good as Spotify in terms of software quality. It hasn’t affected me too badly, but I definitely miss Spotify connect and CarPlay has been spotty.

I’m fully making the switch as protest of business practices, not because Tidal is already better. I hope Tidal gets there but if they don’t I’ll have to reevaluate eventually. I hope Spotify just apologizes for being shitty so I can go back to them.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by mwcampbell »

adriang133 wrote: post #123
nxc18 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just switched to Tidal in protest of Spotify’s support of that nonsense app alliance and their constant attacks on the podcast ecosystem. I really miss when they were laser focused on music. If they drop their bad business practices, I will switch back. For now I’m really feeling the need for competition. Heads up, Apple Music doesn’t sound as good as Spotify, unfortunately. Tidal is better overall in my experience…

I switched to Tidal about 8 months ago (from Spotify) and I have to say about the only thing it has going for it is the slightly better sound quality. Otherwise it is completely inferior to Spotify in each and every way, starting with the core functionality that is a train wreck, at least on macOS. I regularly have issues with the scrobbler getting out of sync, recently playback stops after ~5 seconds when waking my…

The one alternative that no one is discussing here is to abandon music streaming and go back to owning our own collections. Yes, it's more work to go through and buy tracks or albums, but once you've done it, you're completely free to listen to them however you want. That also seems to be the best deal for artists that aren't superstars.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by digdigdag »

theturtletalks wrote: post #113
BlueGh0st wrote: post #109

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Somewhat bemusingly, Spotify has an IFTTT applet that does nearly the same thing called "Automatically add your saved tracks in Spotify to a Google spreadsheet". https://ifttt.com/applets/n6RGLXBf

Songshift could allow users to add their own API keys to allow transfers at their own risk.

...and spotify would then sue SongShift. Because why not? Even if you can empirically prove that SongShift is in the right and the API keys belong to the end users, Spotify would only need to litigate long enough for SongShift to give in, settle and disable such a feature again. That's how this game works.

Re: A Note about Spotify Transfers

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

tpmx wrote: post #69
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #63

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> They say it can take up to 30 days to process. What the heck... My current day-job is a multi-tenant SaaS system - every single entity in any of our heterogenous databases is tagged with a tenant identifier (it's also used in composite PKs/FKs in RDBMS databases to prevent incorrect inter-tenant references). Every database system we use (MSSQL, MySQL, Cassandra, etc) has some way to query itself (INFORMATION_SCHEMA…

It's obviously not a technical problem. The 30 days comes from the GDPR legislation. Spotify is just behaving like an obnoxious child that needs a good smackdown from the EU. Howevever the GDPR also stipulates that this needs to happen without "undue delay". I'm not a lawyer specializing in EU law, but I think this wording was put there for the precise reason of being able to punish companies that behave like that. T…

This seems like an extraordinarily hostile inference to draw from Spotify's statement about the maximum amount of time it'll take. Do you have some specific reason to think Spotify is engaging in undue delay?
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