We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
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We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
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Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#2Strongly behind this for the merits of the technology which are just unquestionably better results for the costs and risks. I’d also really favor making nuclear energy an era-defining technology, like IT was for the 80s-20s. I think it’s wise to have big technological ideas drive progress, and as much as I care about “green,” it’s an uninspiring concept compared to nuclear.
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#3The Green New Deal is at worst nuclear-neutral in favor of stressing wind and solar.
Biden's climate plan, which has a bunch of the same stakeholders and says the GND is a great idea, is on top of that more explicitly and vocally in favor of reactor development and a focus on efficiency improvements and waste processing and reclamation.
Hell, even greenpeace has been pro-reactor for a while now.
I don't see a short-to-medium solution that is the combination of better, cheaper, or safer per watt than nuclear power. (I have no problems with solar and wind, either)
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#4If you want this then write your representatives at the local and national levels. They do listen. The reason it’s not happened is the opposite side doing exactly this for years.
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#5Tax carbon at $200 per ton and magically the financing for nuclear will appear.
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#6> "Solar panels produce ~300x more waste than nuclear reactors when providing the same amount of energy."
Didn't know it was so much better. That's awesome. I'm happy to read recent developments in the approval for small nuclear reactors. Hope to see this stuff become more popular.
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#7Why Renewables Aren't the Reason for California Blackouts: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/08/why-renew...
LCOE of various energy sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source#...
https://neon.energy/Hirth-Ueckerdt-Edenhofer-2015-Integratio... suggests that wind energy has up to 50% higher "real" cost than typical LCOE measurements because of variability, however, this still puts the costs for nuclear (118-192) a lot higher than wind (28-54) and solar (32-42).
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#8If we're going to do nuclear there are better arguments needed. This is not an honest evaluation
> nuclear waste isn’t a glowing toxic ooze
That's irrelevant, whether true or false waste has to be handled. So far it's not been done well, and language like that is appeal to emotion, not facts.
The comment of 300 times waste from solar panels than nuclear doesn't reflect the different waste types.
I'm not actually against nuclear intrinsically but pieces like this are not honest nor therefore, useless.
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#9Strongly behind this for the merits of the technology which are just unquestionably better results for the costs and risks. I’d also really favor making nuclear energy an era-defining technology, like IT was for the 80s-20s. I think it’s wise to have big technological ideas drive progress, and as much as I care about “green,” it’s an uninspiring concept compared to nuclear.
I don't see what you base your claims of unquestionably better results for the costs and risks on?
Current nuclear energy production is quite expensive, it's on par with the costs for offshore wind iirc.
The risks, well... Privately insuring a nuclear power plant is pretty much impossible from a cost perspective. That's why governments, the tax payers in other words, have to assume the full risk in case something goes wrong.
Re: We Need a Nuclear New Deal, Not a Green New Deal
#10I agree, but why set up a false dichotomy? Nuclear energy should be part of a "Green New Deal", which shouldn't just be about energy, but pragmatic environmentalism in all fields.