Doppelgangers have existed since forever. I don't understand why this is such a big deal now.
Here is a random agency where you can book real-life doppelgangers:
The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
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Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
#22So if you're framed by deepfake the only way to prove it's not you is to come up with film of you elsewhere. And so you're going to film yourself wherever you are to mitigate being framed...?
The other probably more appealing use is to have a credible figure (say maybe Greta Thunberg) say she was just kidding about climate change and global warming. Fake news is going to have a party. It's going to get ever more difficult to tell what's true and what isn't.
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
#23So if you're framed by deepfake the only way to prove it's not you is to come up with film of you elsewhere. And so you're going to film yourself wherever you are to mitigate being framed...? The other probably more appealing use is to have a credible figure (say maybe Greta Thunberg) say she was just kidding about climate change and global warming. Fake news is going to have a party. It's going to get ever more diff…
No need to film yourself. You just got to make sure your deepfaked alibi is better.
I wonder if in the future it's not about being able to afford better lawyers, but better fakes.
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#24I wait for cg chatacters to animate on a text script by using move/acting library, then it will be easy to shoot your own dynamic 3d movies by feeding a novel into the app and deepfaking the resulting cg scene. Combined with neural links, even not so good ones, that would be an entire new universe of... this term has yet to be invented. And you guys are thinking about deceitful politicians, as if they were relevant i…
You could use a language model like gpt-3 for the novel part. In fact, I think that will be the first part of the pipeline that will be of sufficient quality.
How so? I thought the poster meant that they are the ones who will be writing the novels. Or did I misunderstand?
I don't really think you could rely 100% on AI for creative things like novels. A fundamental problem with AI (in my humble opinion) is that it simply doesn't have a grasp on reality. Unless if you constantly take care to guide it, it will go off the rails very fast.
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
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No? But aljazeera can sign their content with their private key. That's how signing works...
Sure, but aljazeera can sign a deepfake with their key just as readily as a real video, the signature does not ensure the realness of the video - it can only establish a part of it's "chain of sources".
Breaking: Encryption Inadequate Without Trust
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
No? But aljazeera can sign their content with their private key. That's how signing works...
Sure, but aljazeera can sign a deepfake with their key just as readily as a real video, the signature does not ensure the realness of the video - it can only establish a part of it's "chain of sources".
We can do a full "Video SecureBoot" thing, where the camera sensor signs stuff at the lowest level and every other level adds additional signatures, so you know the full chain of what happened (what cam took what part of the final video, what software edited, and who did the editing).
Nothing in that scheme requires "rights management".
Ultimately still it comes down to trust: do you trust the org who put out the video, do those people trust their subcontractors and (freelance) videographers, the hardware and software that was used, etc
In some cases this might help a little. But in the end misinformation and outright lies will still spread, be it deepfakes or be it just the written word. QAnon is relatively successful without the need to deepfake (they will just do a few meme pictures), so is the Flat Earth movement, and Alex Jones (US not UK) has still a following too, for example.
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
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You could use a language model like gpt-3 for the novel part. In fact, I think that will be the first part of the pipeline that will be of sufficient quality.
How so? I thought the poster meant that they are the ones who will be writing the novels. Or did I misunderstand? I don't really think you could rely 100% on AI for creative things like novels. A fundamental problem with AI (in my humble opinion) is that it simply doesn't have a grasp on reality. Unless if you constantly take care to guide it, it will go off the rails very fast.
I’ve seen movies go off the rails fast. You might get a few accidental cult classics out of it.
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
#28Doppelgangers have existed since forever. I don't understand why this is such a big deal now. Here is a random agency where you can book real-life doppelgangers: http://www.lookalikes.info/
Handwritten codexes have existed for long, why is the printing press such a big deal?
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
#29Doppelgangers have existed since forever. I don't understand why this is such a big deal now. Here is a random agency where you can book real-life doppelgangers: http://www.lookalikes.info/
Handwritten codexes have existed for long, why is the printing press such a big deal?
You make a glib attempt at a parallel that's not relevant to the topic in the article. The point of this article isn't that we now have a "mechanical" process to make faking easier. That's been known for awhile. The headline specifically calls out acting for the purpose of deepfakes, but the article goes on to discuss the troubles deepfakes can cause.
It's certainly arguable that doppelgangers made "deepfakes" easier in the past, but only easier to those who could hire the actor. And that this technology makes it so that hiring the doppelganger is unnecessary, but it's by no means easier like the printing press made copying books easier.
Re: The strange new world of being a deepfake actor
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Handwritten codexes have existed for long, why is the printing press such a big deal?
You make a glib attempt at a parallel that's not relevant to the topic in the article. The point of this article isn't that we now have a "mechanical" process to make faking easier. That's been known for awhile. The headline specifically calls out acting for the purpose of deepfakes, but the article goes on to discuss the troubles deepfakes can cause. It's certainly arguable that doppelgangers made "deepfakes" easier…
The real actor in a deepfake doesn't have to look much like the target person. The pool of usable actors thus explodes by many many orders of magnitude. Hence my comparison.