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A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

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Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#41
According to this plant based source is about 30% more expensive:

https://www.sharkallies.com/shark-free-products/squalene-adj...

It would be kinda sad, now when governments are throwing around trillions of dollars indiscriminately, to drive more species to extinction just to save a few pennies per vaccine dose.

Anyway, hopefully cosmetics use will drop while people are WFH, to offset this at least a little bit.

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Let's save the Earth by letting loads of people die"?

A surprising number of people hold the belief that humans should voluntarily go extinct to not destroy the planet. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movem...

Which is a facile, ludicrous notion on its face. Absent a human consciousness, what does ‘destroy the planet’ even mean?

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#43

It’s more upsetting to know that over 2.7 million are killed for cosmetics. Humans truly know how to dispense misery on mass scale.

But we only hear about it when less than 1/5 of that amount _might_ be sacrificed for human health. Stinks of agenda. Also, without context, is 500,000 a lot of sharks? How many exist in the wild? How many are needed to have a stable population? If we don't cull millions of sharks annually, what effect would that have? And what is "shark" in this context, anyway? There are dozens of fish species, at differing levels…

> Stinks of agenda.

Everyone has an agenda. I don't see an agenda of conservation of our ecology as one we need to resist. Especially when their conclusion at the end is not just "Save the Sharks", but a hope that we will research other possible ingredients instead of just running with the first working prototype.

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#44
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate? In what way? How would you proceed?

Well, my understanding is that the virus jumped from some species, which was sold under absolutely miserable conditions in a wet market in Wuhan, to humans. I find it almost comical that someone would be completely fine with more animal exploitation given that this was the reason humans were infected in the first place.

Just like other theories, the wet market one has no evidence.

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#45
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Let's save the Earth by letting loads of people die"?

A scarier thought is that it has been hard to convince people to wear masks to save themselves, so what hope do we have of getting them to save the planet or even just some species that share it with us? (read a tweet to this effect, but didn't keep a ref)

Please, please consider your privilege first, before beying condescending about the world population.

Helping the Earth is very, very high on Maslow's pyramid, just appreciate that you are that high on it and think how to bring more people at thay level.

Plagues and wars cannot help the environment, but the bettering of the condition of man kind can, and is the only way forward.

In order to help the Earth, we first have to help man kind.

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#46

It’s more upsetting to know that over 2.7 million are killed for cosmetics. Humans truly know how to dispense misery on mass scale.

But we only hear about it when less than 1/5 of that amount _might_ be sacrificed for human health. Stinks of agenda. Also, without context, is 500,000 a lot of sharks? How many exist in the wild? How many are needed to have a stable population? If we don't cull millions of sharks annually, what effect would that have? And what is "shark" in this context, anyway? There are dozens of fish species, at differing levels…

Mass-murdering sharks for cosmetics is unethical and evil. They feel the pain just like we do.

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#47

It’s more upsetting to know that over 2.7 million are killed for cosmetics. Humans truly know how to dispense misery on mass scale.

Are these endangered sharks or a common species?

Does it change the fact that they are mass-murdered for cosmetics?

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#48

It’s more upsetting to know that over 2.7 million are killed for cosmetics. Humans truly know how to dispense misery on mass scale.

But we only hear about it when less than 1/5 of that amount _might_ be sacrificed for human health. Stinks of agenda. Also, without context, is 500,000 a lot of sharks? How many exist in the wild? How many are needed to have a stable population? If we don't cull millions of sharks annually, what effect would that have? And what is "shark" in this context, anyway? There are dozens of fish species, at differing levels…

What about other questions, like: what does 30% price premium on plant based source of this oil translate to when it comes to cost of the final vaccine? And what are the issues of using plant based source? Is it worth it?

Shark is a wild animal that presumably doesn't want to be murdered by a human, to have their livers harvested, just because humans messed up with other animals and caused themselves to be infected with other animals' endemic viruses. I don't really know. I haven't talked to any sharks about this, just guessing.

Re: A Coronavirus Vaccine Could Kill Half a Million Sharks, Conservationists Warn

#49
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The squalene in question that's derived from sharks has been used for decades. I've never heard of it before. Only now I do when it could be used to save untold human lives. Really?

And the fine article even mentions that over 5 times the quantity of sharks are killed for the cosmetic industry.

The shark protection group objects to any use of shark derived squalene. The threat of even more sharks being killed serves as opportunity to focus attention on this ongoing issue.
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