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Just two words: FIX PROTOCOL
Care to elaborate please? (FIX engine?)
Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
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I'm quite experienced with C++. Are these £850-£1000 rates common for C++ contract work in London?
No, £550-£750 is probably the norm, things in the £750-£1000 range do come up but generally in combination with some sector speciality or if a company is really desperate (not normally a good sign).
Also, keep in mind that these places are all based in London, so you have to factor in either relatively high accommodation costs or a significant amount of both time and money on the commute.
Also also, when you deal with these guys, you are usually not selling your services so much as your soul, because you aren't going to have much time and energy left to enjoy your off hours for as long as you're working there.
(I've been invited to work at these places but never taken them up on it, and having seen the effect it has had on some of my close friends, I have never regretted going a different way.)
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#83Are you prepared to accept that Europe's socialism (taxes and regulation) are the cause of these low wages? Are you even open to asking yourself if this is true?
Incidentally, how did you choose "socialist_coder" as your username? Are you trying to be facetious by doing so, or are you serious?
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#84I am a programmer living in Vienna (currently self employed, but I was an employee not that long ago). 45,000 EUR is above average programmer pay in Vienna (that is about the same as the highest offer I ever got here, for doing java enterprise stuff about a year ago). Sounds about right. However, as a contractor you can make significantly more (500-600 euros/day).
Hey, I am also living in Vienna (or at least close to it) and I want to get self employed as well - any tips how to start? (already have a few years of programming experience under my belt and soon a master in mathematics)
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, £550-£750 is probably the norm, things in the £750-£1000 range do come up but generally in combination with some sector speciality or if a company is really desperate (not normally a good sign).
I've seen similar ranges advertised. It's probably worth noting that it's mostly the big financial firms that tend to offer this kind of money (£600+/day), and as well as the technical skills ig1 mentions, most positions also require real world experience working in their field. You are unlikely to jump from writing business admin software or games into financial modelling at that kind of money even if you've got a d…
The work culture depends very much on the bank, the British/French/German banks tend to be much less work obsessed than the American and Japanese ones.
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#86However, your US work ethic/hours/vacation is out of wack with what you'll see in Europe. You'll work a lot of fewer hours there in general.
Compare hours, days working vs off, etc compared to what people Actually work in a california software company.
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#87Working as experienced contractor in Belgium you can make between 500 and 650 euro's per day. Less experienced can go from 350 until 500 euro's per day. As a foreigner working in Belgium and you incorporate in a tax beneficial country you make a decent wage. If you are going to work as a salaried employee you will take a lot less. So contracting work can be more lucrative.
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#88You could not compare US/EU pays. The tax system and the benefits vary widely. For example in France: a salary of 50k€/year like me, you should add 30% of tax paid by the compagny you would have paid from your own salary in US. This salary is brut. You could retire 20% of direct tax on it. So it give a ~3000€ net by month. Benefits paid by tax: - health insurance (70% rembursment for standard care like a flu, 100% fo…
As for retirement, there is social security in the US, although not many people are happy to base their retirement plans on receiving social security checks. Whether the European retirement systems will fare better, the time will show.
I believe you have a point with respect to severance packages.
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I had an offer of over £1000/day a few months back (it's was for a C++ lead dev at a firm no-one wants to work at).
I'm not sure how £1000/day even makes sense. Isn't that like £20000/month, which computes to ~$400K/year? What am I missing? Is it only part-time because of consulting?