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The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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“I am hearing from many constituents, who have been waiting over ten years, for a green card“ - Constituent - “ any of the voters who elect a person to represent them.” H1B are not US citizens, and politicians considering them their “constituents” are misrepresenting their true constituents interests.

I feel like limiting voting to citizen (and therefor not granting voting rights to some residents) is one of these things we will look back at as a historic thorn before universal suffrage.

I feel like looking back at H1Bs will show that it has driven down historically underrepresented ethnicities ability to pull themselves out of the poverty cycle.

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tax paying non citizen is a constituent

How can a non citizen pay taxes?

Sigh. This came up before recently.

So many people believe non-citizens don't pay taxes. So many people believe non-citizens are undocumented, not allowed to work legally, etc.

The vast majority of non-citizens who work pay taxes the same as citizens, everywhere in the world as far as I know.

They often pay the state more than citizens (because of various substantial fees, every year in some countries), while receiving less for it.

It breaks my heart, to think anti-immigrant sentiments may be helped along by such misguided beliefs.

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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“I am hearing from many constituents, who have been waiting over ten years, for a green card“ - Constituent - “ any of the voters who elect a person to represent them.” H1B are not US citizens, and politicians considering them their “constituents” are misrepresenting their true constituents interests.

I feel like limiting voting to citizen (and therefor not granting voting rights to some residents) is one of these things we will look back at as a historic thorn before universal suffrage.

I agree, it's felt like a fundamentally wrong sort of thing for a long time to me.

Same with prisoners being not allowed to vote.

How can you have a representative democracy where only some of the people are represented, and laws are made that determine who goes to prison for political reasons (such as using cannabis for example)?

The Brexit vote in the UK is a great example of this injustice. It is often cited as 52% voted for Brexit.

But the people most affected are the residents from EU countries other than the UK. They are of all ages, and have been told, some their entire lives, that they have the same effective status as UK citizens in virtually every way.

Unlike most systems, the EU-UK system did not require visas, documentation, or place restrictions on people. They were allowed to do virtually everything any citizen can do, and advised in effect that converting to actual UK citizenship is a pointless formality, which even the UK state would not encourage. In effect they were "virtual citizens" already. Many are part of multi-generation families in the UK by now.

And then a decision which affects them most of all is passed without their input.

There are millions of them. About 5.5% of the entire UK population. If they had been asked, there is no doubt from the numbers that the result would have gone decisively the other way.

A prime example of "taxation without representation" and all the other things like that.

On top of that, another group very much affected: UK citizens living in the EU. Some of those retired are now in difficult circumstances, as they lose rights where they are settled, and can't really come back to the UK either. Those living there long-term were not allowed to vote on the issue even though it severely affects them; that number is about 1% of the UK population.

A prime example of "screwed without representation".

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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Auction, auction, auction - but not with fees, with salaries. Set a cap on number of entrants, and then "auction" the slots. Adjust the cap on entrants annually. No showing of specific market need required, or educational background of the applicant. Just criminal background and health checks on the applicant. The bid is the (gross) pay of the role with a minimum commit of 36 months. Winning bids are paid to the empl…

If you have an auction based distribution all that will happen is faang and other big cos will get all their h1b offers filled (something like 2/3rds are denied now bc they lose the lottery). This won’t affect the salaries at all bc they already pay much more than everyone else there. Nurses, university staff and yes some bodyshops will be shit outta luck. American new grads will find it even harder to land a job at faang and will have to settle for startups and smaller shops instead. Not sure if that’s really what we want...

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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I don’t understand why USCIS and other tech forums spend so much time and energy on H-1B rules. How is it possible that 85K non immigrants with no rights are blamed for decimation of entire tech sectors. For comparison , the US allows one million immigrants (green card holders ) every year into the United States . Most of these immigrants come over in the family based immigration category. They are free to take any j…

To me this is all political. With the election coming up, its in Trump's interest to look tough on immigrants. H1Bs are easy targets, they don't have any political rights, and a large number of them will likely never have those rights.

You can't target family based immigrants because their families might already have been naturalized and have voting powers. The family GC recipients would also eventually get naturalized, and you don't want to upset potential voter base (however, tiny it might be).

> There has been no meaningful legislation changes to H-1B program in over two decades and I don’t think that there is political capital to make those changes .

This makes it even better. You get to throw punches which makes you look tough, but also doesn't really hurt the other side. Sort of win-win. Although I do think the other side in this is the H1B sponsoring employers and not the folks actually on H1B.

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a startup, 4 in US, 10 in India - top tier engineers. I just hired my first H1B - while we pay well - bidding and salary escrow will just favor the big 5 - they are starving startups of talent in bay area any way. Investors want me to get traction with $2M, our needed engineers are at $600-$800k comp (300 base) how do I make it work? Regulation has unintended consequences. As an example trying to save retails…

> Investors want me to get traction with $2M, our needed engineers are at $600-$800k comp (300 base) how do I make it work? Are you admitting that you want to hire H1B in order to find cheaper people? If you can't find any local people to employ, then either you put your hand in your pocket to afford international or you can't afford to do business and your business model is broken.

No, I’m saying that the parent comment suggesting bidding is not a good idea.

I’m hiring an H1B since that person has the right skills, and I’m hiring Americans as well (who might take lower salary and stock options initially). Putting something like auction for H1B means another competitive advantage to big tech over me.

>> Business model is broken

For startups, yes you’re working with constraints that seem impossible - you should encourage people to do hard things and build businesses, not give up - this is still US.

And yes I hired 10 engineers in India, and they’re paying taxes there. I’d rather hire them here and have them pay taxes here. In next few years, the founding engineers will start their own startups in India and not here, I want them to do startups here.

We’re screwing up by reducing supply of engineers, reducing supply of housing in US, and starving startup ecosystem.

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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Have you run a business before?

I don't know what point this question is trying to make? Are you asking me if I know how hard it is to run a business while following the law? I'm sure it is. Do you think that absolves you from following it?

You’re talking as if laws were sent by god, we made laws to serve us, not the other way around. We should change them to be sensible.

Also, if all businesses were required to be profitable from day 1, you’d have none. You spend on R&D to build a product, then sell it, then make money.

You know nothing jon snow

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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“I am hearing from many constituents, who have been waiting over ten years, for a green card“ - Constituent - “ any of the voters who elect a person to represent them.” H1B are not US citizens, and politicians considering them their “constituents” are misrepresenting their true constituents interests.

So in your view, because a minor can not vote, he's not a constituent? It's not fair for an elected representative to stand up for him? How about a 17 year old? How about a person who's in prison, and therefore can't vote (in some states)?

For certain policy aspects, such as national security and defense, it absolutely makes sense to actively exclude and ignore the concerns of non-citizens. They are really not 'true constituents'. But for most other things, the person who's considered a constituent is a law-abiding, tax-paying person, not a persona non-grata (that would be the illegal immigrants aka 'undocumented immigrants' whose cause is taken up with gusto by both political parties); it is absolutely the responsibility of the elected representative to pay attention to his concerns.

Re: The next US president won’t be great for H-1B visas

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what point this question is trying to make? Are you asking me if I know how hard it is to run a business while following the law? I'm sure it is. Do you think that absolves you from following it?

You’re talking as if laws were sent by god, we made laws to serve us, not the other way around. We should change them to be sensible. Also, if all businesses were required to be profitable from day 1, you’d have none. You spend on R&D to build a product, then sell it, then make money. You know nothing jon snow

> We should change them to be sensible.

You’re not asking to change it - you’re asking to completely misappropriate it to undermine local labour prices, when its intention as created by the people is to bring in specialists that can’t be found in the US.

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