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Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

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Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

#31

Why would it stop?

Bingo. If anything it would speed up with the population bloom and given society has A: changed our selection priorities and B: made it easier to survive allowing dna to jump out of the local minima we might otherwise be stuck in. Being able to afford for a few steps up hill might find a new valley with a deeper minima.

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

#32

The selection pressure on three versus two arteries feeding the hand has to be so incredibly small (in terms of survival to reproduction in humans) that I am having a hard time imagining how this story has any causal plausibility. Edit to be more clear about what in the article I'm responding to, it's this: > Dr Teghan Lucas from Flinders University says ... “This increase could have resulted from mutations of genes…

Similar evolution with no selection pressure:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/wisdom-teeth-evol...

I don’t think Darwinism is scientifically established. It has become a bit of a sacred cow because of its opposition with religion, but it is merely a good explanation compatible with the data. That doesn’t prove it. It may be that life evolves and adapts through other mechanism than mere selective pressure.

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

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post #32

The selection pressure on three versus two arteries feeding the hand has to be so incredibly small (in terms of survival to reproduction in humans) that I am having a hard time imagining how this story has any causal plausibility. Edit to be more clear about what in the article I'm responding to, it's this: > Dr Teghan Lucas from Flinders University says ... “This increase could have resulted from mutations of genes…

Similar evolution with no selection pressure: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/wisdom-teeth-evol... I don’t think Darwinism is scientifically established. It has become a bit of a sacred cow because of its opposition with religion, but it is merely a good explanation compatible with the data. That doesn’t prove it. It may be that life evolves and adapts through other mechanism than mere selective pressure.

I’ve always wondered that. Like why hasn’t evolution itself evolved as well?

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

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post #32

The selection pressure on three versus two arteries feeding the hand has to be so incredibly small (in terms of survival to reproduction in humans) that I am having a hard time imagining how this story has any causal plausibility. Edit to be more clear about what in the article I'm responding to, it's this: > Dr Teghan Lucas from Flinders University says ... “This increase could have resulted from mutations of genes…

Similar evolution with no selection pressure: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/wisdom-teeth-evol... I don’t think Darwinism is scientifically established. It has become a bit of a sacred cow because of its opposition with religion, but it is merely a good explanation compatible with the data. That doesn’t prove it. It may be that life evolves and adapts through other mechanism than mere selective pressure.

Selection pressure probably doesn’t apply to evolution in the present tense as evolution is not a conscious entity. Survival of the fittest could have only a past tense application ie the cause of evolution traits surviving. In this case evolution doesn’t know if 3 arteries is good or bad it just happens those people have more kids and their kids have more kids until one day all the 3 artery people die because of some disease where having 3 arteries means you are more likely to die. This will leave 2 artery people living on and from their perspective looking back it’s then selection pressure.

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DNA isn’t so neat as to cleanly separate every change. Thus this could be related to a host of changes that collectively represent a noticeable advantage. With circulatory issues being the #2 killer in the US it’s likely for the circulatory system to be undergoing rapid change. Increased blood flow to the hand may mean a more efficient circulatory system increasing athletic performance and lowering disease risks etc.

> #2 killer in the US it’s likely for the circulatory system to be undergoing rapid change. Primarily killing people past reproductive age though.

Does it also impact fertility?

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar evolution with no selection pressure: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/wisdom-teeth-evol... I don’t think Darwinism is scientifically established. It has become a bit of a sacred cow because of its opposition with religion, but it is merely a good explanation compatible with the data. That doesn’t prove it. It may be that life evolves and adapts through other mechanism than mere selective pressure.

Selection pressure probably doesn’t apply to evolution in the present tense as evolution is not a conscious entity. Survival of the fittest could have only a past tense application ie the cause of evolution traits surviving. In this case evolution doesn’t know if 3 arteries is good or bad it just happens those people have more kids and their kids have more kids until one day all the 3 artery people die because of som…

You are assuming this is completely random, and perhaps it is. But the evolutions about wisdom teeth for instance seem logical.

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

#38
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>because it increases overall blood supply But that's what I want explained why is more blood beneficial for a person's forearm? I don't feel like I am lacking blood flow during my daily tasks in life. Can "extra arm artery mutant guy" out-compete me in a specific task so critical it means his genes are more likely survive than mine are?

Replacement makes sense, your friend with extra artery will survive in case of a critical surgery and might have another kid while you'd die with no extra kid. Does not need to happen to you but on average. Your friend with better bloodflow might also have a stronger erection and therefore on average more kids (pulling this out of my ass obviously). You dont need to have any obvious disadvantages, on average it might…

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Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

#39
post #27

This seems rather dubious to me; what selection pressure exists that's increasing fitness for people with three arteries? The fact that it's progressing so rapidly suggests that this is either bad data, or environmental changes

There doesn't need to be selection pressure for a mutation to spread, it just needs to be no disadvantage to develop it

With no selection pressure a gene will not from 10% to 30% in a few generations. That requires a tremendous selective advantage.

Re: Forearm artery reveals human evolution continues?

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post #28

I have procured a PDF of the paper. Ctrl+F race finds nothing in it. The authors treat e.g. these results equivalently: * Adachi, B. (1928) Das Arteriensystem der Japaner. Kyoto, Japan (8.00%) * Kodama, K. (2000) Arteries of the upper limb. Tokyo, Japan (8.2%) * Henneberg, M. and George, B.J. (1992a) High incidence of the median artery of the forearm in a sample of recent South African cadavers (27.10%) * Cheruiyot,…

But this hypothesis is not going to get you sexy headlines and your next grant funded. If we don’t fix the problems with grant funding and the resulting imperative to publish or perish we are going to kill science.
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