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“I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

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Re: “I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

#2
This is an extreme example on how we are at risk for creating the very systems they use to put people at risk. There's no "ey, i'm one of the good guys, i'm on the right side", one day you wake up just to find yourself as the target.

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#5
I don't agree with this mentality. If you are helping a dictator or authoritarian regime, sure. I think it is in the wrong side of the story.

But helping out the US in developing high-precission weapons does the opposite.

1. It might save lifes, as the alternative is dumb carpet bombing. As we know during WW2, carpet bombing killed mostly civilians and destroyed cities.

2. Most weapons that the US has, are there for deterrence, and not necessary meant to be used, and in the long run hopefully they are never used.

3. The US is the better greater power by a long stretch. I know it gets a lot of flak here, but while it has done many mistakes, the US has done more good that usually gets forgotten. The alternative is China (in the Pacific) or Russian hegemony in half of Europe. I am talking as someone born in a former communist country. And almost all former communist countries in Europe are staunch US supporters/allies as they have lived first hand communism, and experienced its rotten system.

Re: “I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

#6
As a former writer of telemarketing software it's nice to have missile guidance software developers that I can feel somewhat morally superior to. But in their defense at least missiles can be used in a non-evil way, but I'm not so sure about telemarketing software.

Re: “I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

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post #5

I don't agree with this mentality. If you are helping a dictator or authoritarian regime, sure. I think it is in the wrong side of the story. But helping out the US in developing high-precission weapons does the opposite. 1. It might save lifes, as the alternative is dumb carpet bombing. As we know during WW2, carpet bombing killed mostly civilians and destroyed cities. 2. Most weapons that the US has, are there for…

I don't necessarily disagree with your points, though I might debate most of them. #2 however strikes me as pretty darn optimistic. Recent history suggests that the US doesn't have much hesitation about using their weapons.

Re: “I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

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post #5

I don't agree with this mentality. If you are helping a dictator or authoritarian regime, sure. I think it is in the wrong side of the story. But helping out the US in developing high-precission weapons does the opposite. 1. It might save lifes, as the alternative is dumb carpet bombing. As we know during WW2, carpet bombing killed mostly civilians and destroyed cities. 2. Most weapons that the US has, are there for…

In my opinion your defense of US is completely unacceptable and wrong but i don't want to start a discussion about that: i want you to consider that in general, it's better to spend energy, focus, money and any other constructive effort in creating something that helps people instead of something that kills people, even if you consider those people bad ones.

It's better to spend efforts in education and culture instead of spending more on police defense. It's better to spend efforts in negotiations and ways to sign peace treaties instead of making wars. It's better to spend efforts in making chirurgical items instead of spending efforts in making weapons.

Re: “I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

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post #5

I don't agree with this mentality. If you are helping a dictator or authoritarian regime, sure. I think it is in the wrong side of the story. But helping out the US in developing high-precission weapons does the opposite. 1. It might save lifes, as the alternative is dumb carpet bombing. As we know during WW2, carpet bombing killed mostly civilians and destroyed cities. 2. Most weapons that the US has, are there for…

In my opinion your defense of US is completely unacceptable and wrong but i don't want to start a discussion about that: i want you to consider that in general, it's better to spend energy, focus, money and any other constructive effort in creating something that helps people instead of something that kills people, even if you consider those people bad ones. It's better to spend efforts in education and culture inste…

you kinda need some people to be making missiles in order for everyone else to have the luxury of being able to spend their efforts on education and culture. do you know of any countries without missiles? exactly.

Re: “I just woke up one morning and it struck me that I was a murderer. so I quit.”

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post #5

I don't agree with this mentality. If you are helping a dictator or authoritarian regime, sure. I think it is in the wrong side of the story. But helping out the US in developing high-precission weapons does the opposite. 1. It might save lifes, as the alternative is dumb carpet bombing. As we know during WW2, carpet bombing killed mostly civilians and destroyed cities. 2. Most weapons that the US has, are there for…

Does this extend to all countries that the US sells weapons to? Are you happy about the use of US weapons by Saudi Arabia against Yemen, for example?
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