It's been a while since there have been posts on Supermemo here (meta: I miss the times when HN was mostly about bootstrapping software businesses, nootropics and self hacking), so I'm wondering - are there people who (still) use Supermemo or similar software for actual learning, and not memorizing for its own sake, as a party trick basically (which I feel is its main use case, at least in the way it's in the news)?…
Good sleep, good learning, good life
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Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#22I did not read the article (what did you expect, we are on HN ;) Anyway, my experience has been a little bit different. I would summarize it as "good life, good sleep, good learning". And yes, order matters. The fact is that recently I was completely in my midlife crisis and was at probably 50% of my mental stamina (memory loss, lack of interest, poor focus, and insomnia ). I was ok with the fact that I was getting o…
The state of a person's life circumstances, which can change, has a huge effect on mental capability.
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#23There is a lot of info here and much I agree with but without reading the whole thing a few things I noticed that I disagree with: 1) the fatal result of rats being tortured to deprive them of sleep seems to have been traced to oxidative stress in the gut (there was an article on this here not that long ago) 2) while I don't have an easy reference, a number of studies have found that even strenuous exercise before be…
> ...researchers demonstrate in flies and mice that sleep loss leads to an increase of reactive oxygen species (ROS) in the gut, and that neutralization of ROS can prevent oxidative stress and prolong the lifespan of sleep-deprived flies.
Various biological systems seem to have recovery mechanisms associated with the sleep cycles. These cycles are measured using EEG devices but all the major SmartWatch vendors are adding predictive machine learning algorithms to generate the equivalent sleep cycles using optical heart rate data.
Continuous sleep cycle tracking might provide crucial insights related to optimal health.
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#24It's been a while since there have been posts on Supermemo here (meta: I miss the times when HN was mostly about bootstrapping software businesses, nootropics and self hacking), so I'm wondering - are there people who (still) use Supermemo or similar software for actual learning, and not memorizing for its own sake, as a party trick basically (which I feel is its main use case, at least in the way it's in the news)?…
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#25There is a lot of info here and much I agree with but without reading the whole thing a few things I noticed that I disagree with: 1) the fatal result of rats being tortured to deprive them of sleep seems to have been traced to oxidative stress in the gut (there was an article on this here not that long ago) 2) while I don't have an easy reference, a number of studies have found that even strenuous exercise before be…
I don't think there is anything natural about such a rigid "circadian rhythm". Its a leftover from feudal / agricultural society where you had to get up to do different things on the farm _all day_ until you where so tired you crashed and slept for 8 hours. Nothing natural in that. I totally agree that "getting up early" can have its benefits, and so can an uninterrupted 7 hours - but the body is built to get up in t…
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#26It's been a while since there have been posts on Supermemo here (meta: I miss the times when HN was mostly about bootstrapping software businesses, nootropics and self hacking), so I'm wondering - are there people who (still) use Supermemo or similar software for actual learning, and not memorizing for its own sake, as a party trick basically (which I feel is its main use case, at least in the way it's in the news)?…
The SuperMemo algorithms [1] have been re-implemented in more modern software such as Anki [2]. These systems are popular for goal oriented learning like studying for a test or learning a new language. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperMemo#Algorithms [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anki_(software)
Additionally SM is much more feature rich once you get into incremental reading and fully optimizing your learning experience.
Sure the UI isn't a nice flashy Electron.js app, but SM is a titan compared the terminate that is Anki.
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#27There is a lot of info here and much I agree with but without reading the whole thing a few things I noticed that I disagree with: 1) the fatal result of rats being tortured to deprive them of sleep seems to have been traced to oxidative stress in the gut (there was an article on this here not that long ago) 2) while I don't have an easy reference, a number of studies have found that even strenuous exercise before be…
I don't think there is anything natural about such a rigid "circadian rhythm". Its a leftover from feudal / agricultural society where you had to get up to do different things on the farm _all day_ until you where so tired you crashed and slept for 8 hours. Nothing natural in that. I totally agree that "getting up early" can have its benefits, and so can an uninterrupted 7 hours - but the body is built to get up in t…
I suspect the human body can adapt to many different schedules and some will work better than others for each individual. My sense is that the most important thing is keeping a very regular schedule to make sure that when we are sleeping we are fully asleep. For me being awake at night seems to independently cause trouble and I suspsect this is likely true of most people, but it might not be the case with everyone. Even so, I suspect an irregular sleep schedule is much worse than being awake at night.
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#28There is a lot of info here and much I agree with but without reading the whole thing a few things I noticed that I disagree with: 1) the fatal result of rats being tortured to deprive them of sleep seems to have been traced to oxidative stress in the gut (there was an article on this here not that long ago) 2) while I don't have an easy reference, a number of studies have found that even strenuous exercise before be…
Hopefully.
These days, with all this working and staying at home, I'm sure for a lot of people their most strenuous exercise is just before going to sleep.
> In my experience, when you wake up seems to be more important for setting the circadian rhythm than when you get to sleep.
That's my experience too, however I think it is misleading, for some people, to describe circadian rhythm as a single daily clock.
In my experience it's more like:
1) There are a small number of distinct rhythms. When these are aligned, sleep is more refreshing, and they feel like one larger coherent process. When they are unaligned, sleep is less refreshing, and the awake time has a number of "different kinds of tired" intervals, as varies cycles that would ideally be during sleep occur during awake time instead. When severe, it's difficult or impossible to work during these intervals, even when getting plenty of sleep as well.
"Different kinds of tired" means things like tired muscles, or tired mind, or difficulty focusing, or poorer temperature regulation, or... Basically different processes in the body, which could all be conflated as "tired" yet are distinct from each other.
One of the most annoying is feeling very sleepy and needing to lie down, yet not falling asleep because it's the wrong kind of tired for actual sleep. After hours of that, maybe the right kind of tired will happen, at which point actual sleep happens. When these cycles are misaligned the overall process can take most or even all of the available 24 hours a day; it is very difficult to hold down a job when this is a regular occurrence.
2) The overall circadian cycle sometimes breaks up into pieces, like those 24 hour mechanical timers with a separate bit of plastic for each 15 minutes, which can be set to one long interval or more than one shorter interval.
As many other people point out, regularity is good for maintaining a strong circadian rhythm. I find that includes these multiple intervals: They seem to appreciate consistency too. I also find waking earlier/later (e.g. due to the sun, work, clocks etc) doesn't always drag the whole 24 hour cycle forward or backward; sometimes it seems to create a new interval and allow an old one to shrink or fade.
> trigger event and that once triggered is essentially irreversible
I had a trigger event which I can trace back specifically to age 15: Working on school coursework in bed in the early hours of the night. It's not really a single event so much as a time period of a few months.
Up until that point I had reasonably regular sleep.
Ever since then I suffered from essentially chaotic and unpredictable sleep times for about 20 years. No amount of "discipline", from school, jobs etc., fixed this. It just meant I was tired, and late getting to work a lot, because the alternative is to be on time but too exhausted to be useful, a real dilemma.
Eventually after about age 35 it started getting a bit more regular. But it's not great, and I have to be very conscious about managing sleep.
A challenging aspect of this is I'm far more productive if I decide to pull an all-nighter than if I remain disciplined about sleep. I have found with great consistency that in a well-chosen all-nighter, I've often got more things sorted out than a month of regular work. It's frustrating; I would like to do that in the daytime! If I'm disciplined and avoid doing that, months can go by with only "mundane" levels of productivity, and it's disappointing knowing I'm capable of more. As a decent programmer, I'm lucky that "mundane" is still good, but it's not what I can do at my best. I'd still like to crack this problem but I haven't found a solution yet.
Re: Good sleep, good learning, good life
#29> You can compare the use of alarm clocks to smoking or eating hot dogs. Wow. That’s a big statement, surely comparing alarms to smoking is a bit much?
It is a big statement. I've personally not used an alarm clock in about 10 years, I wake up naturally. The times I do use an alarm clock I can genuinely say often make be feel ill for the rest of the day. Still, not sure it's as bad as smoking.
Personally, I totally buy that it could be as bad as (or even worse) than smoking. How much bad stuff has happened due to lack of sleep/quality of sleep that we just discount as due to something else entirely?