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Programmer salary in mainland Europe?
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#12In Amsterdam as a starter you can expect somewhere between €30k and €38k, depending on your skill set and company you're applying for. I think €45k for a senior position sounds about right, but this really depends a lot on where you're going to live: cost of living in for example London is much higher than somewhere in Spain.
As an indication for taxes: €45k before taxes would probably be around €30k after income taxes in the Netherlands.
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#13Heise, an IT publisher in Germany does regular surveys of IT salaries. See http://www.heise.de/jobs/artikel/Wer-verdient-wie-viel-98184...
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#14In Paris, its right on target
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#15Contract rates in London seem to be just shooting up. Two years ago £600/day was a "high" rate. Last year £700. This year several places are offering £850/day and I've heard rumours of £1000/day or more.
If you want to live in Austria, why not work in London and just commute ;-)
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#16Working as experienced contractor in Belgium you can make between 500 and 650 euro's per day. Less experienced can go from 350 until 500 euro's per day. As a foreigner working in Belgium and you incorporate in a tax beneficial country you make a decent wage. If you are going to work as a salaried employee you will take a lot less. So contracting work can be more lucrative.
are you doing this? Whats your recommendation as for a country to incorporate in?
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#17Working as experienced contractor in Belgium you can make between 500 and 650 euro's per day. Less experienced can go from 350 until 500 euro's per day. As a foreigner working in Belgium and you incorporate in a tax beneficial country you make a decent wage. If you are going to work as a salaried employee you will take a lot less. So contracting work can be more lucrative.
are you doing this? Whats your recommendation as for a country to incorporate in?
If you're just doing contracting on your own, incorporating in mainland Europe is basically insane, as you'll spend a ton of your time chasing after bureaucratic stuff, and paying a lot for the privilege. And in any case, what's the point...
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#18I'm pretty sure that IBM Germany wouldn't pay you more either. Guess how shocking I found salaries during my first time in the US ;-)
Also, even though taxes in CA are "high", taxes in Germany will prob. be a lot higher. I recently spoke to a Norwegian who just moved here. He couldn't believe that he has to pay more here than back home. >50% including social benefits etc. is standard for a single.
However, you have to take into account, that, as far as I can tell, this already includes quite a decent federal retirement package. Additional private retirement plans are getting standard here now, but up until quite recently, lots of people would be happy with their federal ones. My parents for instance never bought a private plan.
Depending on what you prefer, there can be more bang for the buck, or quality of life. For instance in my hometown Munich, rent might be higher than in any other German city but even for European standarts its a joke. You can easily live in the center for way under 1000 Euro per month if you're not to picky. You can prob. reach everything incl. work, city parks and even mountains without a car. In theory bike + train can get you anywhere. The crime rate is a LOT lower. The best beer in town costs about 50 cents per bottle. There are almost know bums on the streets. And so on...
As far as I can tell if you try to save money, the US is the better place to be a high demanded employee. If you want to enjoy life, maybe central Europe is better for you. Oh, and last but not least, don't expect to find a start up community, larger than a few dozen entrepreneurs.
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#19You could not compare US/EU pays. The tax system and the benefits vary widely.
For example in France: a salary of 50k€/year like me, you should add 30% of tax paid by the compagny you would have paid from your own salary in US.
This salary is brut. You could retire 20% of direct tax on it. So it give a ~3000€ net by month.
Benefits paid by tax: - health insurance (70% rembursment for standard care like a flu, 100% for emergency or expensive care) - retirements (vary in function of the employment status, but count 60% of the 10years best salaries) - job insurance (6month to 80% of the previous salary, from memory, need to check)
All of this you have to pay from your US salary. If you want to compare a US salaty with an european one, you have to factor all the social benefits you would have to pay in US.
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#20It really varies a lot in my personal experience - in the UK/ROI salaries are much higher than for senior roles, salary basically spans from 45-50K to 80-90K euros, but contracting you can easily make much more than that. In Switzerland you get good deals, but if you cross the border to Italy you go back to figures similar to the one you mention for Austria.