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Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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bredren wrote: post #223
panopticon wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if this statement is supportive of Twitter's decision or opposing the practice of not using drought-resistant landscaping.

People do things for themselves that to others appear wrong and unnecessarily self self-serving. When presented with major societal issues some people are reasonable enough to trim it back until the crisis has subsided. I think Twitter and Facebook’s coddling enablement of President Trump has been disgusting and both companies have morally bankrupt business models. But in 2020, you no sooner can demand your neighbor…

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Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by jader201 »

ValentineC wrote: post #176
notatoad wrote: post #8

>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amp…

> >Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. I don't know if a Twitter PM will read this, but showing Likes in my feed — and not having an option to turn it off in the official mobile app client — is one big reason I stopped consuming tweets. It's a shame that the only way to opt out…

Wow, that sounds really annoying. I’ve used Tweetbot exclusively for years (I’m mostly a consumer, though — I very rarely tweet), and had no idea this was even a thing.

Twitter is really working hard to force people away from using their app.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by Fellshard »

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #234
Fellshard wrote: post #100

1. 'Misleading Information' is a targeted category, specified only by manual intervention, leaving the door wide open for selective enforcement and biased enforcement. 2. The 'context' they put in the 'Trending' section is often highly editorialized and skewed. An example from yesterday: > Celebrities · Trending > Mel Gibson > People are expressing disappointment that Mel Gibson has been cast in a new film. > 18.2K T…

> 1. 'Misleading Information' is a targeted category, specified only by manual intervention, leaving the door wide open for selective enforcement and biased enforcement. The "slippery slope" should definitely be on everyone's mind as this enforcement is rolled out, but it should not stop the enforcement. Otherwise your statement becomes the "if we can't fix everything we should fix nothing" fallacy. I agree that the…

True, but such enforcement requires accountability and governance in that case - things that they have shown no interest in adopting.

There is a consistent penchant among normal, biased 'fact-checkers' to call sympathetic views 'mostly true' in the face of glaring falsehoods, and antagonistic views 'mostly false' in the presence of any minor nitpick; nothing unusual as far as bias goes, but expecting these orgs to play governance roles is clearly unsuitable.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by jayd16 »

notatoad wrote: post #8

>Second, we will prevent “liked by” and “followed by” recommendations from people you don’t follow from showing up in your timeline and won’t send notifications for these Tweets. These recommendations can be a helpful way for people to see relevant conversations from outside of their network, but we are removing them because we don’t believe the “Like” button provides sufficient, thoughtful consideration prior to amp…

>how they can square

I don't think its that illogical to argue there's a time sensitive component. False news is the price you pay for breaking news sometimes. Its fine in the long run, but the argument is during an election the risk is too great.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by konjin »

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #234
Fellshard wrote: post #100

1. 'Misleading Information' is a targeted category, specified only by manual intervention, leaving the door wide open for selective enforcement and biased enforcement. 2. The 'context' they put in the 'Trending' section is often highly editorialized and skewed. An example from yesterday: > Celebrities · Trending > Mel Gibson > People are expressing disappointment that Mel Gibson has been cast in a new film. > 18.2K T…

> 1. 'Misleading Information' is a targeted category, specified only by manual intervention, leaving the door wide open for selective enforcement and biased enforcement. The "slippery slope" should definitely be on everyone's mind as this enforcement is rolled out, but it should not stop the enforcement. Otherwise your statement becomes the "if we can't fix everything we should fix nothing" fallacy. I agree that the…

>I agree that the enforcement needs to be monitored, and also that the enforcement needs to be done. Not mutually-exclusive. There are absolutely agreed-upon lies today: there isn't a deep state of vampire child rapists running the country. Fight me. ;-)

Also Epstein killed himself and had no links to anyone in power. Even if he did they were only Republicans and even if they weren't they were.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by refurb »

blhack wrote: post #61

Twitter keeps running themselves into a trap, and it is unbelievable to me that they don't see it: they cannot be the arbiters of truth. It will not work, because inevitably they'll miss something, and then people will assume that that missed thing is true. The solution is NOT to do censorship based on truth. The entire system needs to be unreliable, because it is unreliable. People need to read things on twitter (an…

This was my take as well. I get that they want to “clean up” some of the most egregious tweets but that’s a game you can’t win. It’s just a rabbit hole where everyone will accuse you of being biased.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by SoSoRoCoCo »

Fellshard wrote: post #245
SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. 'Misleading Information' is a targeted category, specified only by manual intervention, leaving the door wide open for selective enforcement and biased enforcement. The "slippery slope" should definitely be on everyone's mind as this enforcement is rolled out, but it should not stop the enforcement. Otherwise your statement becomes the "if we can't fix everything we should fix nothing" fallacy. I agree that the…

True, but such enforcement requires accountability and governance in that case - things that they have shown no interest in adopting. There is a consistent penchant among normal, biased 'fact-checkers' to call sympathetic views 'mostly true' in the face of glaring falsehoods, and antagonistic views 'mostly false' in the presence of any minor nitpick; nothing unusual as far as bias goes, but expecting these orgs to pl…

> things that they have shown no interest in adopting

Can you explain what you mean by this? Because that's literally what they (twitter) have been trying to do for the past 4 years: toeing the line between censorship and handling an administration that delivers a constant stream of demonstrable and egregious lies.

Re: Additional steps we're taking ahead of the 2020 US Election

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Post by jayd16 »

meheleventyone wrote: post #142
crazygringo wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Squaring it is pretty easy, I think. Recommendation engines are neither inherently good or harmful -- think of them as an amplifier. In normal times, they work pretty well -- it gives you more of the stuff you like, which usually isn't harmful. Just entertaining/fluff/interesting/whatever. But closer to an election, they can be gamed and weaponized for harm -- Russia can activate botnets, fake accounts, etc. and lies…

It seems hilariously naive to think that the only time people will be weaponising it is during an election and that there aren’t elections happening regularly all over the world so that if your point holds true such things should basically always be turned off.

They didn't say that though. They're saying the consequences are worse before an election. At other times the pros outweigh the cons. Not sure I agree but its a pretty reasonable argument, I think.
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