You have to give Doppler your secrets which is absolutely crazy. Is there a self hosted version? How does it fair against Vault? Vault is self hosted and open source. Does everyone in this thread know the founder or something? No one is asking these and they're in my view the absolutely most important questions.
Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
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Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#132What are your thoughts on Secrethub? https://secrethub.io
We love seeing other companies innovate to make managing secrets less painful. We have found that most developers really want a holistic way to manage secrets. One stark difference between Doppler and SecretHub is that we have a dashboard that makes it super easy to manage your secrets. We have a deep rooted focus on user experience.
Aside from a feature-by-feature comparison, I feel that both SecretHub and Doppler do a great job of:
1) making secrets management simple enough so any engineer can use it with limited overhead.
2) making secrets management work throughout your entire stack – from development to production – and not just inside one ecosystem.
Finally, we see a trade-off between usability and security being made. At SecretHub, we feel end-to-end encryption is a must for any managed service handling passwords, API keys and other secrets.
Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
just thinking out loud.. isn't it a better solution if you implement e2e encryption with dashboard and cli like how password managers do? i mean it's secrets and as a company you also wouldn't want to get into any trouble. if user losses the password he can always disable old keys of respective services and generate new ones.
Totally agree with this. I'd love a hosted solution for secret management, but e2e encryption seems like an absolute necessity.
Full disclosure: I'm the founder :)
Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#134You have to give Doppler your secrets which is absolutely crazy. Is there a self hosted version? How does it fair against Vault? Vault is self hosted and open source. Does everyone in this thread know the founder or something? No one is asking these and they're in my view the absolutely most important questions.
Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#135You have to give Doppler your secrets which is absolutely crazy. Is there a self hosted version? How does it fair against Vault? Vault is self hosted and open source. Does everyone in this thread know the founder or something? No one is asking these and they're in my view the absolutely most important questions.
Then I looked at the API documentation and it seems, no, you're being encouraged to send your secrets verbatim over the Internet.
I understand how this invites comparisons with the CSP secrets management products (e.g. AWS Secrets Manager), but it seems strictly worse from a number of perspectives:
* blast radius: if I'm a multi-cloud, or hybrid-cloud, property then compromise of one environment doesn't necessarily lead to compromise of the others; if I have all my eggs in one basket, like Doppler, then it seems like it does.
* Internet traversal: if I'm using something like AWS Secrets Manager from within AWS, I can entirely avoid having to traverse the Internet for my secrets by using VPC endpoints. Having to cross the Internet just means I'm exposed to more bad actors, an increased variety of attacks and also operational risk factors unrelated to security.
* (probable/possible?) segregation of duties concerns: the design of products like AWS Secrets Manager means that some kind of active collusion across product teams within AWS is required to create inappropriate disclosures and to conceal that disclosure. If secrets management is the only product line, that seems less likely to be sustainable.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
It looks like this https://www.nomadproject.io/docs/integrations/vault-integrat... It's incredibly simple, and a breeze to use. ``` job "vault" { group "demo" { task "task" { vault { policies = ["database"] } template { env = true data = edit: thanks HN formatting
with this setup, Vault will create a new database user based on the configuration you set (read-only for some services, for example), and will attach a time-to-live to those credentials; as long as the application is using them, it will renew the TTL. When an application is killed, or scaling happens, etc, and the application instance isn't using those specific credentials, Vault will clean up and remove the unused a…
Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#137Question, is it possible to rename the default local environment to "local"? dev means something else at our place ...
Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#138I could not find anything about Terraform integration. That is something I bet many of your customers will need.
We're also building on Terraform so this kind of integration would be neat! How well are GitHub Actions supported? We've been dancing with secrets there too.
[0] https://github.com/marketplace/actions/install-doppler-cli
Re: Launch HN: Doppler (YC W19) – Easily manage your env vars and secrets
#139You have to give Doppler your secrets which is absolutely crazy. Is there a self hosted version? How does it fair against Vault? Vault is self hosted and open source. Does everyone in this thread know the founder or something? No one is asking these and they're in my view the absolutely most important questions.
We realize that storing secrets requires trust and for some companies it may be outside of their comfort zone at the moment. We are currently focused on creating a super easy to use solution. An analogy: there are open source versions of Dropbox for users that don't trust Dropbox with their files (NextCloud, ownCloud, etc.), however this comes with the friction of having to host your own solution. We are more like Dr…
However, please stop trying to contrast yourself with these analogies. Owncloud and Nextcloud both have hosted OR on-prem versions
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're also building on Terraform so this kind of integration would be neat! How well are GitHub Actions supported? We've been dancing with secrets there too.
We fully support GitHub Actions and have a native GitHub Action[0] that you can use to install our CLI. [0] https://github.com/marketplace/actions/install-doppler-cli