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Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

#21
Disinformation content works because it drives huge engagement.

Huge engagement pays the bills for FB and twitter.

If we expect change we need an analog to a carbon or pollution tax for social.

“Show me the incentives and I will show you the outcome.”- Charlie Munger

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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It's wonderful to hear they've decided to shut down their services.

I would love to know the true scope of “inorganic” content on these platforms. It is surely appalling. At some point users will realize that they are wasting their life staring into a screen that presents them with mostly engineered information.

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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post #9

I don't trust Facebook or Twitter to distinguish disinformation from information. Why would anyone?

People already trust these companies 100% to decide what they can read, de facto:

The evidence is that your FB messenger inbox is not filled with porn spam 400 times per second.

This is all fine and good until these centralized, sometimes-censored systems are commandeered by the state to censor person-to-person communications (whether it be on a certain topic, using certain keywords, or all messages to/from users in a certain geofence).

This is turnkey tyranny, and you wouldn't even know it had happened. The command to the service providers would be gag ordered, it wouldn't be visible, it wouldn't be reproducible, and it wouldn't make the news.

I am convinced that this represents one of the greatest threats to our society: the danger is imminent. If it hasn't happened already, it will soon.

https://sneak.berlin/20200421/normalcy-bias/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24630900

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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post #18

Twitter has shown they have an extreme political bias over and over. It is insane to trust them to identify and censor "misinformation". This is just another censorship campaign hiding behind the current flavor of "think of the children". I'd rather have these raving lunatics (and to be clear, many of these propagandists are exactly that) spouting nonsense than trust Twitter to curate the truth.

Which extremism exactly?

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t and they shouldn’t. The potential good that could come from this does not outweigh the catastrophic failure modes of this approach. Some enlightened people understood this, hundreds of years ago. Its time for another amendment. EDIT since this is related, another horrendous idea that recently disgraced my timeline https://twitter.com/yelp/status/1314197509623947265?s=21

Understandable. How do you propose we deal with the current wave of propaganda and misinformation that these platforms enable, especially since they’re already having a very real effect on politics all over the world?

Let's start with domestic journalists who abuse their vastly disproportionate power.

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can’t and they shouldn’t. The potential good that could come from this does not outweigh the catastrophic failure modes of this approach. Some enlightened people understood this, hundreds of years ago. Its time for another amendment. EDIT since this is related, another horrendous idea that recently disgraced my timeline https://twitter.com/yelp/status/1314197509623947265?s=21

What do you propose to combat disinformation campaigns? Look at what’s happening. The end results of allowing anything to happen on social media are not good. We’re not in a good place. So we can ignore that for rigid principles, or admit that those principles don’t stand up to the real world. No, no one hundreds of years ago had any idea about the scale or effect of social networks. Yes there was propaganda and brai…

Having principles hurts sometimes. Sometimes they require you to do things that are painful with the understanding that the alternative is even worse.

I'd gladly take a world with disinformation over a world in which an unaccountable third party determines what is truth, and therefore okay to say. I can work around the first problem with some effort much easier than the second one.

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

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post #10

Twitter still doesn’t have a way to report misinformation. I’ve been seeing an almost 100% success rate in accounts s report having actions taken.

Who says it's actually misinformation? The media? The localy bribed politician owning the media?

Facebook and Twitter don’t make the determinations alone. They contract internationally recognized fact checking organizations. Is it perfect? No. Do we need to curtail online disinformation at a platform-level? Yes, clearly we can’t rely on the critical thinking skills of the reader to make a rational determination — if we could, we wouldn’t have this problem in the first place.

This and several posts on this thread seem to think it’s impossible to discern fact from fiction, that every opinion, even if false and presented as factual, deserves equal time.

I fear that if we cannot have factual, cogent policy debates, our democracies are doomed.

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

#29
post #9

I don't trust Facebook or Twitter to distinguish disinformation from information. Why would anyone?

They can’t and they shouldn’t. The potential good that could come from this does not outweigh the catastrophic failure modes of this approach. Some enlightened people understood this, hundreds of years ago. Its time for another amendment. EDIT since this is related, another horrendous idea that recently disgraced my timeline https://twitter.com/yelp/status/1314197509623947265?s=21

They have to. Doing nothing is so much worse. It won't be an amendment, it'll be the end of the constitution.

Re: Facebook, Twitter dismantle global array of disinformation networks

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understandable. How do you propose we deal with the current wave of propaganda and misinformation that these platforms enable, especially since they’re already having a very real effect on politics all over the world?

Let's start with domestic journalists who abuse their vastly disproportionate power.

So you're part of the "tear down journalism" crowd that are a part of the problem?
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