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Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

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Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

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Out of all of FAANG, which has had new competitors emerge recently (that are potentially huge threats)?

Facebook - Snap, Tiktok, Telegram, Discord, Houseparty (and we still have Twitter, Pinterest, Wechat)

Google - Duckduckgo (really?)

Amazon - Shopify (really?)

Apple - Android (really?)

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gates is doing PR for himself. I've not seen him say anything relevant about MS in a really long time.

Gates is the richest person in the world. I assure you, he has a team of PR people dedicated to improving his image and the image of the source of his wealth (Microsoft.) The fact that this is downvoted and somehow controversial is proof of their campaign’s effectiveness...it’s how the media works, people.

He has, quite literally, all the money in the world to hire PR people to make the public believe he is what he desires.

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

#33
post #31

Out of all of FAANG, which has had new competitors emerge recently (that are potentially huge threats)? Facebook - Snap, Tiktok, Telegram, Discord, Houseparty (and we still have Twitter, Pinterest, Wechat) Google - Duckduckgo (really?) Amazon - Shopify (really?) Apple - Android (really?)

That's a strawman , having wannabe competitors does not absolve them from their anticompetitive practices. "Facebook" is a web-based social network. They weren't competitors to snap-tiktok-telegram-discord . But then they bought instagram, they bought whatsapp, they built a copycat messenger and used facebook+ig to push it to everyone, they copied snap and pushed it to everyone, they copy slack and push it to everyone, they copy tiktok to push it to everyone ... you see the pattern here, using their earlier dominant position to destroy any chance of competition.

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

#34
post #25

Facebook has been unable to stop new entrants: Pinterest, Snap, Tiktok, Twitter - All global and multi billion dollar companies, and still growing. More to come are: Telegram, Discord, Houseparty, Clubhouse Plus global competition from: Wechat, Weibo, Line Social networks come and go. The space is a lot more whimsical than people think. Remember Friendster, MySpace, AIM. A new challenger will emerge every 3-5 years.

All of those so-called challengers who died were ones that basically were killed by Facebook in its rise to power. None of the 'global competition' is really competitive outside of China, and the new entrants are copied as soon as they come out with something interesting. New challengers may emerge rapidly, but unless something is done from a regulatory side those same challengers will flame-out into either death or mediocrity within a few years of appearing.

As a simple example, those 'new entrants' (can we really call any of those four new other than TikTok?) are all multi-billion dollar companies, but by quickly cloning the interesting features of those entrants Facebook probably siphoned off as much value from those entrants as they are now worth. In a world without Facebook copying them all four of those companies would have market caps that were at least 2x their current levels.

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gates is doing PR for himself. I've not seen him say anything relevant about MS in a really long time.

Gates is the richest person in the world. I assure you, he has a team of PR people dedicated to improving his image and the image of the source of his wealth (Microsoft.) The fact that this is downvoted and somehow controversial is proof of their campaign’s effectiveness...it’s how the media works, people.

It is not 'how the media works' or any sort of proof of a PR campaign, it is just wrong. That is why it is being downvoted.

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gates is the richest person in the world. I assure you, he has a team of PR people dedicated to improving his image and the image of the source of his wealth (Microsoft.) The fact that this is downvoted and somehow controversial is proof of their campaign’s effectiveness...it’s how the media works, people.

It is not 'how the media works' or any sort of proof of a PR campaign, it is just wrong. That is why it is being downvoted.

You don’t think that one of the richest people in the world has a PR team that helps shape his public perception?

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

#37
Eventually companies become so large they can't innovate - doing something new is too big a risk (it will eat into existing revenue and may fail anyway) and too expensive (its hard to change the structure and direction of a 10's and 100's of thousands of employees).

The only way they continue operating is to outsource R&D - buy companies that have proven a new business model or product, or replicate what they've done.

This has been the case since VisiCalc, Wordperfect, Netscape, IBM etc. - is there an alternative for large companies?

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

#38
post #31

Out of all of FAANG, which has had new competitors emerge recently (that are potentially huge threats)? Facebook - Snap, Tiktok, Telegram, Discord, Houseparty (and we still have Twitter, Pinterest, Wechat) Google - Duckduckgo (really?) Amazon - Shopify (really?) Apple - Android (really?)

That's a strawman , having wannabe competitors does not absolve them from their anticompetitive practices. "Facebook" is a web-based social network. They weren't competitors to snap-tiktok-telegram-discord . But then they bought instagram, they bought whatsapp, they built a copycat messenger and used facebook+ig to push it to everyone, they copied snap and pushed it to everyone, they copy slack and push it to everyon…

Because - all the companies I listed above are now bankrupt and gone?

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a strawman , having wannabe competitors does not absolve them from their anticompetitive practices. "Facebook" is a web-based social network. They weren't competitors to snap-tiktok-telegram-discord . But then they bought instagram, they bought whatsapp, they built a copycat messenger and used facebook+ig to push it to everyone, they copied snap and pushed it to everyone, they copy slack and push it to everyon…

Because - all the companies I listed above are now bankrupt and gone?

they dont need to be bankrupt to be wannabees. Wordperfect and myspace still exist

(plus yes, a lot of those companies would go bankrupt without their VC funding)

Re: Facebook is a monopoly that buys, copies, kills competitors: antitrust committee

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So on one hand Facebook is a monopoly and something needs to be done about it. And on the other hand, the only real competitor is Chinese so it needs to be banned. I know my reasoning is not well thought out, but I just find it funny.

It's funny because it's true. I mean the only substantial competitors to facebook are VK, telegram and a bunch of chinese companies, all of which would be considered "security threats"
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