Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
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#2It must be pretty blatant for a this administration's National Labor Relations Board to bring charges.
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#3> A year ago, 80 Google contractors employed by HCL America in Pittsburgh voted to unionize with US Steelworkers—a historic victory for white collar tech workers in the U.S.
According to who?
My wife is a nurse, in a union, and the stuff she tells me about some of her cohorts getting away with then leveraging the union to avoid being reprimanded/ let go is insane.
Additionally there is no incentive to improve, your salary is based on seniority and nothing else. It is literally on a chart, predetermined.
I don't want that for software engineering.
I acknowledge the importance of unions in our history, being labor to where it is today. However I do not want unions for the software engineering field
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#4People forget that many places are extremely lenient when it comes to things like vacation and dress code, etc. They think that when they unionize, the base level of working conditions is what they are currently experiencing and they can only go up from there. But that would be seriously mistaken and I would totally expect employers to play hardball if employees take their benefits for granted and want to play hardball as well.
There are definitely environments where unions are needed and have made working conditions better but unionizing in tech where most jobs are cushy is a mistake that only puts money in the hands of union bureaucrats that don’t do anything except complicate everyone’s lives.
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#5People forget that many places are extremely lenient when it comes to things like vacation and dress code, etc. They think that when they unionize, the base level of working conditions is what they are currently experiencing and they can only go up from there. But that would be seriously mistaken and I would totally expect employers to play hardball if employees take their benefits for granted and want to play hardba…
From the article:
> While they are not employed directly by Google, many of them work as analysts on Google Shopping.
I highly doubt these were workers with great working conditions and benefits.
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#6> A year ago, 80 Google contractors employed by HCL America in Pittsburgh voted to unionize with US Steelworkers—a historic victory for white collar tech workers in the U.S. According to who? My wife is a nurse, in a union, and the stuff she tells me about some of her cohorts getting away with then leveraging the union to avoid being reprimanded/ let go is insane. Additionally there is no incentive to improve, your s…
I too, form my entire world view on anecdotal evidence.
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#7> A year ago, 80 Google contractors employed by HCL America in Pittsburgh voted to unionize with US Steelworkers—a historic victory for white collar tech workers in the U.S. According to who? My wife is a nurse, in a union, and the stuff she tells me about some of her cohorts getting away with then leveraging the union to avoid being reprimanded/ let go is insane. Additionally there is no incentive to improve, your s…
Don’t want what, a leg to stand on? A seat at the table to bargain with your betters? How is some random data point about your wife’s experience evidence against collective bargaining? What do you see as the downside? “Gee, sure we have a say in our benefits and my salary is way higher, but there’s this one coworker who doesn’t pull their weight.”
As opposed to life in a non-union shop, where it’s a workers paradise and everyone shows up ecstatic to hit the code mines first thing on Monday.
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#8People forget that many places are extremely lenient when it comes to things like vacation and dress code, etc. They think that when they unionize, the base level of working conditions is what they are currently experiencing and they can only go up from there. But that would be seriously mistaken and I would totally expect employers to play hardball if employees take their benefits for granted and want to play hardba…
"union bureaucrats that don’t do anything except complicate everyone’s lives" is an interesting assertion to make in this case where the union hasn't even had an opportunity to do anything bad yet. Why does unionizing have to be treated as "hardball" if the union hasn't even made any demands yet? Does the status quo have to be "employees have to do what I want, no questions, even if it's illegal"? Lots of employer misbehavior is widespread in the US - wage theft, for one, is absolutely rampant - and unionizing is one possible option for combating it because it allows you to collectively bargain to resolve your grievances with the employer instead of dragging them into court or trying to get law enforcement to go after them. It's interesting to me that the mere act of unionizing is somehow justification for an employer to get out the baseball bat and go to town on your knees "because you took your benefits for granted". If things were really so good, why did they unionize?
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#9People forget that many places are extremely lenient when it comes to things like vacation and dress code, etc. They think that when they unionize, the base level of working conditions is what they are currently experiencing and they can only go up from there. But that would be seriously mistaken and I would totally expect employers to play hardball if employees take their benefits for granted and want to play hardba…
Yes, because that is the general approach, companies are giving away all sorts of free money with no expectation of tit for tat as long as you never unionize. The dress code and vacation policy will get worse if you have a collective voice? Where do people living in a capitalist economy get the idea their bosses are socialists who are giving things away?
Re: Google Contractors Say Their Work Is Being Shipped to Poland After Unionizing
#10> A year ago, 80 Google contractors employed by HCL America in Pittsburgh voted to unionize with US Steelworkers—a historic victory for white collar tech workers in the U.S. According to who? My wife is a nurse, in a union, and the stuff she tells me about some of her cohorts getting away with then leveraging the union to avoid being reprimanded/ let go is insane. Additionally there is no incentive to improve, your s…
It sounds like your wife doesn't like the collective she's a part of. Welcome to collective bargaining. You don't get to pick and choose who is allowed to vote in your local elections, and you don't get to pick and choose which of your coworkers are entitled to representation. If there are bad people in your employee collective, that is mostly a rebuke of the employer for hiring bad people. Or are you arguing that unions somehow turn good people into bad ones? Is a person's only incentive for improvement in life getting an extra $1k/yr? Personal satisfaction and desire for growth don't exist, people don't care about their customers?
While I'm happy to not hate any of my current coworkers (for once!) almost every team I've been on has had some bad apples. Unions have nothing to do with that, and I'd still rather my workplace be unionized if it meant the more vulnerable members of the team were protected even if my least-favorite colleagues could exploit it for their own benefit. I've seen too many people mistreated by employers to think that unions can't be helpful.