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Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by 0-_-0 »

Nemi wrote: post #238
0-_-0 wrote: post #235

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Isn't that the same thing that the [-] sign doesn in HN? Works the same way for me.

But scroll down. As you scroll down, the line of minus signs grows. When you are 6 comments deep into a conversation (where each comment is a reply to the last. The comments are all indented to the right), there is a line of 6 minus signs at the top left (------). If you click on the second minus sign on the left, it collapses the conversation up to that parent without having to scroll up to that level.

I see! I can see the - signs but clicking them does nothing...

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by godshatter »

mncharity wrote: post #260
godshatter wrote: post #256

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I would like to see a tagging system that could be used for filtering or just viewed on the comment itself. I almost always view every discussion board I'm on as wide open as possible in order to see taboo-breaking or uncomfortable opinions and to get an idea of where the population of readers is leaning on a topic and tags by other users would also be useful. It's more information about why people like or dislike th…

Hmm, neat, so sort of optimizing for people/community watching? Allow users a richer expression, not to provide the system with more insight to improve recomendations, but to provide other users with more insight into users, individually and collectively. And since the system is learning about both content and users, it too might contribute insights, modulo privacy, somehow. Intriguing.

If some of the tags were common, then they could be used by the user to filter content. Things like "impolite", "not-pc" (or whatever the pc version of that would read), "combative", "inflammatory", "informative", "insightful", etc. They would also give me an idea of what kinds of things trigger others. I'm in my mid-50s, and I still have a hard time not accidentally using a phrase that others might consider rude because I've been using it all my life and don't really think about what it actually might mean.

I don't know if it would be helpful by giving people more information, or detrimental by giving people more information on why their comment was downvoted.

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by RubenvanE »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #162
RubenvanE wrote: post #32

These sentiments are quite familiar to me. That's why I've been building my own HN copy ( https://hackerdaily.io ). It shows all posts per day, which has a few benefits: 1. It doesn't become an addictive slot machine that updates every minute. 2. The conversations have already happened, which makes it easier to see which threads are interesting and informative and which are not. It also uses an outline.com like style…

Thank you for that tool. I'd suggest on a post to add a link to the original page on ycombinator.com, in case one wants to read it there. In the same style, I like to use the "top 10/20" on https://hckrnews.com/

Thank you, I'll probably post it on the main page when It's a bit more finished.

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by Nemi »

0-_-0 wrote: post #261
Nemi wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But scroll down. As you scroll down, the line of minus signs grows. When you are 6 comments deep into a conversation (where each comment is a reply to the last. The comments are all indented to the right), there is a line of 6 minus signs at the top left (------). If you click on the second minus sign on the left, it collapses the conversation up to that parent without having to scroll up to that level.

I see! I can see the - signs but clicking them does nothing...

Yeah, I had this problem too on one page. I clicked on another article and it worked. Looks like it is a little buggy (founder take note!)

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by RubenvanE »

Nemi wrote: post #233
RubenvanE wrote: post #32

These sentiments are quite familiar to me. That's why I've been building my own HN copy ( https://hackerdaily.io ). It shows all posts per day, which has a few benefits: 1. It doesn't become an addictive slot machine that updates every minute. 2. The conversations have already happened, which makes it easier to see which threads are interesting and informative and which are not. It also uses an outline.com like style…

I just want to say that you NAILED a UX issue I see with Hackernews comments, at least for me - when I am reading through the comments on a HN post, I often find myself several layers deep into a conversation that I realize I am not interested in any more. Either some facet of the topic, or maybe a side conversation (like the one we having now about HackerDaily). I want to "jump out" of this conversation and back to…

Thank you, this truly warms my heart!

I have poured too many hours of my life into this little detail. It still doesn't work great though:

1. It is hard to click on on mobile devices

2. It sometimes renders behind the comment or is not clickable (not always, just sometimes). I am afraid this has something to do with the way browsers render the CSS sticky position, so I might not be able to fix this. I am not very experienced in CSS though, so if you've any advice on how to fix this I would truly appreciate it!

Because of the above two issues I might need to go back to just a fixed minus button. :(

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by RubenvanE »

Nemi wrote: post #264
0-_-0 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see! I can see the - signs but clicking them does nothing...

Yeah, I had this problem too on one page. I clicked on another article and it worked. Looks like it is a little buggy (founder take note!)

Yes, I am aware of the issue (see my recent comment on one of the parent comments).

I am afraid that it is an issue with the way some browsers render the CSS sticky position. If you have any CSS knowledge, I would greatly appreciate your input!

For my information, which browser do you use?

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by RubenvanE »

PetitPrince wrote: post #168
RubenvanE wrote: post #32

These sentiments are quite familiar to me. That's why I've been building my own HN copy ( https://hackerdaily.io ). It shows all posts per day, which has a few benefits: 1. It doesn't become an addictive slot machine that updates every minute. 2. The conversations have already happened, which makes it easier to see which threads are interesting and informative and which are not. It also uses an outline.com like style…

Minor thing: the number are right-aligned but the element doesn't have minimum size, so they still have a cascading layout instead of a straight alignment.

Yes, need to fix this. Thank you!

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by esfandia »

godshatter wrote: post #262
mncharity wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, neat, so sort of optimizing for people/community watching? Allow users a richer expression, not to provide the system with more insight to improve recomendations, but to provide other users with more insight into users, individually and collectively. And since the system is learning about both content and users, it too might contribute insights, modulo privacy, somehow. Intriguing.

If some of the tags were common, then they could be used by the user to filter content. Things like "impolite", "not-pc" (or whatever the pc version of that would read), "combative", "inflammatory", "informative", "insightful", etc. They would also give me an idea of what kinds of things trigger others. I'm in my mid-50s, and I still have a hard time not accidentally using a phrase that others might consider rude bec…

Slashdot does this to some extent. Moderators are invited to choose from a small subset of tags. The most used tag by the moderators is listed next to the comment's karma. Your idea would be a generalization of what Slashdot does, and it certainly has merit.

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by Isamu »

bondarchuk wrote: post #236
muttled wrote: post #230

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Perhaps something like the Nest thermostat approach might be best: have something that learns your preferences based on time, day of the week, and other factors. Maybe it attempts to see what kind of mood you're in?

No, please, no. It will end up like youtube: spend one evening watching chess videos, and suddenly all your recommendations are chess videos. And afterwards on a meta level there is anxiety with everything you click on and how it might influence your filters.

> afterwards on a meta level there is anxiety with everything you click on and how it might influence your filters

Yes I have so much hesitation where I am curious about someone’s fringe viewpoint but DO NOT want to be swamped with more of the same

Re: Why I stopped reading HN (2010)

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Post by dhimes »

peejfancher wrote: post #240
partingshots wrote: post #220

> It’s gotten to the point now where I sometimes think about writing a comment to “send it out to gain karma” in the same way that I think about “sending off a unit to collect resources” in an RTS. This was an extraordinarily poignant quote that I empathize with greatly. The only reason I’m sharing it as a comment is because I believe that I can now also gain some karma with it as well. What does this mean? Are these…

I've had -3 karma for about 6 years now. Kind of proud of it. My only comment was trying to be helpful with a link but it got downvoted a bit.

oh— what to do— what to do....
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