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Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

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Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

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Pretty misleading title, but I think this is not an expansion of Waymo to the general public, but a getting rid of the safety drivers for some people participating in the closed-invite only preview but no longer under NDA. Seems like another incremental step forward. Google turned off the PR firehouse on Waymo over the past year, so I think many were starting to think the tech had hit a wall and wasn't ever going to…

I am looking forward to Waymo Via. From an economic profitability standpoint, that looks like the best option at this time.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#32

What is the actual advantage to consumers over an Uber? Novelty will wear off, and so to survive Waymo will actually need to be better in some way. Can anyone in Phoenix answer if Waymo is cheaper? Is Waymo hoping people will choose Waymo for safety?

I mean, if they can make this work well then you cut out the driver - which is very cost-saving. It also lets you a. optimize exactly where cars are driving to maximize ride share revenue, b. have the cars ready to pick someone up 24/7. It's going to be a much more efficient use of car capital than hiring a person to drive it.

But it's a very different business model to ride share, which is based on externalising the costs of the car to the drivers.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#33

What is the actual advantage to consumers over an Uber? Novelty will wear off, and so to survive Waymo will actually need to be better in some way. Can anyone in Phoenix answer if Waymo is cheaper? Is Waymo hoping people will choose Waymo for safety?

I would assume cheaper and more reliable service.

With Uber/Lyft, you never know who you're going to get and what the experience will be like, and as someone that easily took 200-300 Uber rides per year pre-covid, I've seen some shit.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#34
> Later this year, after we've finished adding in-vehicle barriers between the front row and the rear passenger cabin for in-vehicle hygiene and safety, we'll also be re-introducing rides with a trained vehicle operator, which will add capacity and allow us to serve a larger geographical area.

Makes it sound like the pandemic was a significant factor in expanding this to people who are not under NDA. Because if they were doing 5-10% before fully driverless and it was working, then there is a big issue with needing to retrofit the cars with infectious disease barriers, its going to make a lot more sense to just reduce the number of drivers entirely if you can.

But one thing that might be a little misleading is that I am reading this announcement as saying that they are actually only letting in Waymo One people now which have had to apply and be accepted, and then in a non-specific number of weeks the public can try to get in via the app. But you still basically have to be on a wait list in the app.

So the real difference today is letting people in the program already who are not under NDA ride without the safety driver.

But it's very exciting. And necessary to have some wait-list because it is actually possible that the thing could become viral (sorry) and turn into driverless ride tourism and then you could have 30,000 tourists standing around at the same time cussing at an app that says "Service at capacity" all day.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#35

What is the actual advantage to consumers over an Uber? Novelty will wear off, and so to survive Waymo will actually need to be better in some way. Can anyone in Phoenix answer if Waymo is cheaper? Is Waymo hoping people will choose Waymo for safety?

It's possible that in the long term because Waymo doesn't need to pay drivers their overhead will be lower, which could mean lower prices for riders. Of course, Waymo cars have very expensive computers in them, and maintenance might be expensive, and the AI used to drive the cars is expensive, and they might need to have backup safety drivers (at least at first), so whether they're actually cheaper remains to be seen.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#36

What is the actual advantage to consumers over an Uber? Novelty will wear off, and so to survive Waymo will actually need to be better in some way. Can anyone in Phoenix answer if Waymo is cheaper? Is Waymo hoping people will choose Waymo for safety?

For the moment one advantage is you can't catch anything from a driver since there isn't one.

Long term it should be possible for the service to be cheaper than manned since they don't have to pay a driver.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#37
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be too cynical to assume this whole thing is going to get shutdown after a few years due to failing to gain enough traction (due to people being wary of Google's track record of doing so with their in-google properties)?

Waymo was started in 2009, they have existed for half of Google's existence. The amount of research and money that has gone into it is not comparable to things like Google Reader. Also, they seem to have the lead over most and the market opportunity is huge.

I'd argue Tesla has the lead. Perhaps their approach has technical limitations that make full self-driving impossible so it's moot but they have the lead.

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

#38
post #8

Is Phoenix because self driving cars can't handle any kind of inclement weather? Or is there some other reason to choose Phoenix over Denver or Milwaukee?

Phoenix has a TON of retired and disabled residents who can't or shouldn't drive (spread out over suburbs), so it was easy to get political support for comfortable transit options that improve their mobility (and don't cost the city anything).

Hope grandma has good life insurance!

Re: Waymo is opening its driverless service to more people in Phoenix

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post #33

What is the actual advantage to consumers over an Uber? Novelty will wear off, and so to survive Waymo will actually need to be better in some way. Can anyone in Phoenix answer if Waymo is cheaper? Is Waymo hoping people will choose Waymo for safety?

I would assume cheaper and more reliable service. With Uber/Lyft, you never know who you're going to get and what the experience will be like, and as someone that easily took 200-300 Uber rides per year pre-covid, I've seen some shit.

For example, we were taking an Uber through a part of a nearby city I'd never been in before, and approaching a confusing bit of roundabout, the driver leaned over to me and asked me which way to go :-(
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