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Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by Bhilai » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:04 PM UTC

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #129

pjc50 wrote: post #81

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This reminds me of the California/Australia wildfires. They're the result of a whole cascade of problems, from global warming to the details of under-supported local firefighting infrastructure, but those at the top aren't interested in any of those until they start to feel the heat approach them. I think the possibility of election "chaos" is starting to look real; you've already had this year "armed protestors occu…

I think the risk of protracted conflict is actually really high. Trump has repeatedly implied that he would not accept the results of the election, and has laid groundwork to say that the election was rigged and illegitimate. Hillary Clinton has publicly stated that in no way should Biden concede the election, and Harris last night in the debates implied that they would fight if needed. All this during an extremely s…

Not sure why you are being downvoted. Things you mention have been reported by NYT pretty clearly.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by hnracer » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

UncleMeat wrote: post #179

rayiner wrote: post #106

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Go to the transcript it’s clear as day: https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trump... > Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to pro…

This is why TJ needs a better history curriculum. Support for confederate statues is not support for history or even support for Lee himself. The AHA even put out a statement to clarify since people don’t seem to ask historians what they think about the subject.

Historians are politically biased, with about 90 percent of them leaning left. See Jonathan Haidt for more information on political bias in the humanities. On such a politically charged issue they are not to be trusted and are a corrupted group of individuals. This is exactly why we need a politically balanced team to do any vetting on a platform like Facebook.

Also, to say that protesting in support of a Robert E Lee statue is not showing support for Lee is prima facie absurd.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by blackflame7000 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:14 PM UTC

splintercell wrote: post #203

GavinMcG wrote: post #196

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No, though it's a better reply to my comment elsewhere in the thread where I said Trump doesn't actually condemn white supremacy. The handful of examples in the video that are post-Charlottesville are a nice start, but they've clearly ended up being lip service. He says "I condemn white supremacy" and then goes back to race-baiting at his rally just days ago. [0] Also, it doesn't kill the narrative. It's entirely con…

The why ask him to denounce it?

Bingo. It doesn’t matter what he says, they just want to keep asking the question anyways to drive division to garner support.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by UncleMeat » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

hnracer wrote: post #212

UncleMeat wrote: post #179

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This is why TJ needs a better history curriculum. Support for confederate statues is not support for history or even support for Lee himself. The AHA even put out a statement to clarify since people don’t seem to ask historians what they think about the subject.

Historians are politically biased, with about 90 percent of them leaning left. See Jonathan Haidt for more information on political bias in the humanities. On such a politically charged issue they are not to be trusted and are a corrupted group of individuals. This is exactly why we need a politically balanced team to do any vetting on a platform like Facebook. Also, to say that protesting in support of a Robert E Le…

The argument has nothing to do with political leaning and instead everything to do with how historians interact with primary sources. It is absolutely consistent with ordinary historiography to say that a statue of Lee is not a historical record of the man.

I do hope supporters will stop claiming they are defending history when they immediately turn around and declare that the thousands of professional historians around the country are all fools.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by zo1 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:28 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #209

zo1 wrote: post #183

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It's not quite 95% all around, here are the top ones with the percentage of all their employees' contributions to the Democrat party: Netflix = 98% Nvidia = 93% Adobe = 93% IBM = 90% Salesforce = 89% Google = 88% Microsoft = 85% Apple = 84% Paypal = 84% Cisco = 80% Amazon = 77% Facebook = 77% Intel = 68% Broadcom = 68% Oracle = 67% Texas Instruments = 60% Qualcomm = 50% Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-li…

Those are employee contributions, in their capacity as private citizens, not contributions made by the company. Don't forget to count company PAC contributions, often made to both sides.

I didn't say they were made by the company, I said they were made by the employees of those companies. It's important as it speaks to the huge imbalance of democrat vs conservative individuals inside those companies.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by GavinMcG » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

splintercell wrote: post #203

GavinMcG wrote: post #196

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No, though it's a better reply to my comment elsewhere in the thread where I said Trump doesn't actually condemn white supremacy. The handful of examples in the video that are post-Charlottesville are a nice start, but they've clearly ended up being lip service. He says "I condemn white supremacy" and then goes back to race-baiting at his rally just days ago. [0] Also, it doesn't kill the narrative. It's entirely con…

The why ask him to denounce it?

I'm not sure, you'd have to ask someone who's asking Trump to denounce something he's clearly committed to.

I'm asking about conservative groups who have denounced it. I have some faith that conservatism is not aligned with Trumpery.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by mason240 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:56 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #209

zo1 wrote: post #183

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It's not quite 95% all around, here are the top ones with the percentage of all their employees' contributions to the Democrat party: Netflix = 98% Nvidia = 93% Adobe = 93% IBM = 90% Salesforce = 89% Google = 88% Microsoft = 85% Apple = 84% Paypal = 84% Cisco = 80% Amazon = 77% Facebook = 77% Intel = 68% Broadcom = 68% Oracle = 67% Texas Instruments = 60% Qualcomm = 50% Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-li…

Those are employee contributions, in their capacity as private citizens, not contributions made by the company. Don't forget to count company PAC contributions, often made to both sides.

And who at the companies are making decisions about policy? Employees.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by lopmotr » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #115

bbrree66 wrote: post #111

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This is the real question :) Of course it will be by some far left leaning person. Zuckerberg said they have content moderation and consult with many many groups and the interviewer asked for ONE example of a conservative group they consult with, he had no answer.

Not intended to derail this, but could someone point to/recommend conservative groups who a) have denounced white supremacy, and b) are reasonably data- or analytically-driven?

Not sure about data-driven but there's a clue in your name. The Proud Boys have denounced white supremacy.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by mason240 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #115

bbrree66 wrote: post #111

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This is the real question :) Of course it will be by some far left leaning person. Zuckerberg said they have content moderation and consult with many many groups and the interviewer asked for ONE example of a conservative group they consult with, he had no answer.

Not intended to derail this, but could someone point to/recommend conservative groups who a) have denounced white supremacy, and b) are reasonably data- or analytically-driven?

Ben Schapiro has literally written books about how terrible the alt-right is, yet he that is what he is frequently called.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by mason240 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

blackflame7000 wrote: post #184

GavinMcG wrote: post #177

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No, but I can't bring to mind any that have denounced white supremacy. Which is why I'm asking.

Does this work for you? https://streamable.com/sr9o2s Edit: People on this forum need to stop being so cultish. Downvoting this doesn’t change the reality that it directly kills your narrative.

They ask for proof, and then when you give it try to hide your comment through downvoting. Followed by saying that it doesn't even matter.

Very topical example of why these "benevolent censorship" schemes are are worse than the problem they are trying to fix.