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Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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post #137

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Sarcasm lacking a “/s” sarcasm tag is risky. On deeply divided issues, where both sides demonize the other and is willing to think the worst of anyone at a drop of a hat, unmarked sarcasm is in effect asking to be knocked down.

Your assumption is that I care about some random person on the internet thinking "the worst". The point is to highlight that people on here actually have this attitude, and it isn't sarcasm. How many politicians are saying Facebook should be censoring other people (unsurprisingly: always their opponents)? How many people say social media is the problem? How many people say the "other side's" news is fake news and ign…

> Your assumption is that I care about some random person on the internet thinking "the worst". The point is to highlight that people on here actually have this attitude

If people are thinking the worst of you, you are failing to achieve your stated purpose, namely to highlight that other people hold these opinions.

If you are OK with people believing that you hold these opinions, then you are simply a troll.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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I wish they'd also de-emphasize the ugly political memes that are constantly forwarded by some addicted folks.

I used to unfollow them, but recently found that if I blocked their sources instead it was more effective because I could still hear from them when they post themselves.

I just don't see any use for this content, it is 99% garbage.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Does this work for you? https://streamable.com/sr9o2s Edit: People on this forum need to stop being so cultish. Downvoting this doesn’t change the reality that it directly kills your narrative.

No, though it's a better reply to my comment elsewhere in the thread where I said Trump doesn't actually condemn white supremacy. The handful of examples in the video that are post-Charlottesville are a nice start, but they've clearly ended up being lip service. He says "I condemn white supremacy" and then goes back to race-baiting at his rally just days ago. [0] Also, it doesn't kill the narrative. It's entirely con…

The why ask him to denounce it?

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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post #135

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Do you automatically presume any conservative group is white supremacists by default?

Given the way Trump has captured the following of the conservative community, despite being a radical populist and having few policy accomplishments besides inflaming racial tensions, yes . It's reasonable starting assumption about any group that continues to express support for Trump. I'm not a fan of identity politics, I generally try to ignore race, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. But at this po…

A politician (or any human being for that matter) consists of a bunch of dimensions.

American society also has many dimensions , some being representative of the structure and institutions of the society, and then also all the people within the country who are affected by governance, and each individual person is also multidimensional (inside of which is lots of complexity, that drives political decisions within the overall system).

The makeup of a politicians dimensions affects the manner in which they ~govern, with respect to the societal dimensions, and in turn acting upon those dimensions.

Within this system we have "democracy", then within there we have "politics", which consists of this weird multidimensional, ~"interactive dance" that consists of "facts", "logic", rhetoric (perspective/narrative building (and advertising/distribution), framing, hyperbole, motivated reasoning, post-hoc rationalization, propaganda, destroying people with facts, "the news", "debates", memes(!), trolling, shitposting, etc), axioms, principles, "visions", and various other silliness. But all for a good cause, with the best of intentions in mind (to the degree that each individual is capable of that).

When it comes to election time, citizens are given one vote, a binary choice of two candidates. To make this choice, each individual voter crushes down all the complex dimensionality of their personal model of the world (which they mistake for shared reality) and out comes their decision who to vote for.

The purpose of all the absurdity and chicanery in the interactive dance above, is to influence the manner in which each individual crushes their dimensions. More specifically, the purpose of the dance is to influence the makeup/configuration/contents of each person's model - or, alter their perception of reality.

I would say that what the arguments we individuals engage in on social media "is", is simply a part of this dance. In this case, I reckon that you are responding to your model of the world, and interacting with others within the system, hoping to influence their model (an illustration of the viral nature of ideas). More specifically, you are (in all good faith, I presume), ~"deploying a persuasive meme/perspective", something roughly along the lines of:

  "Donald Trump's model contains a dimension labelled 'Literally Racist', and it's value is '100%'.  Furthermore, *because(!)* anyone who 'is' 'racist' 'should' 'be shunned by society, absolutely, full stop', *then therefore(!)* you must(!) vote for Joe Biden."
If the individuals "political team" (the leader, and all teammates) has done a good enough job in influencing the model of the individual deploying the meme, the person will perceive their action as being righteous, composed of critical thinking, exercising logic, doing the right thing, being an adult in the room, etc. But what it really is, is just this weird dance. And there's no need to feel bad about it, because it seems to be a fairly innate, evolved behavior of human beings, so we all do it (if to varying degrees, and in different styles). I'm doing it right now (in response to you doing it). The whole big thing is just this weird dance, and what ultimately comes out the other end, is a new or reelected President (in part driving the ongoing future evolution of the overall model), and the whole thing starts anew.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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post #100

This just seems like too little, too late. Much of the problems I see aren't advertising in the traditional sense, but viral content from sketchy sources. If they wanted to seriously affect this, they would prevent posts from spreading to tens of thousands/ millions of people without being vetted.

Vetted by who? Based on the political opinions of some manager somewhere in California?

> Based on the political opinions of some manager somewhere in California?

There are some simple rules you can apply evenly with little or no political bias.

#1 Is it true? - Is a politician making a claim about the election which is false. "I won the election"... Likewise, are they making a claim which is verifiably false about current events? "Police have arrested Antifa activists in Oregon for starting the Holiday Farm Fire."

#2 Is it inciting violence — Is a politician making a statement that might incite violence. This applies equally to both sides. "Burn down all police stations" or "Show up in force and armed" are both calls which will lead to violent outcomes.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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What are you talking about? The Daily Caller is one of Facebook’s official fact checker partners: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/facebooks-fact-c... And the top performing content on Facebook is dominated by right wing media figures: https://mobile.twitter.com/FacebooksTop10

> The Daily Caller is one of Facebook’s official fact checker partners That doesn't tell you how much they weight it compared to the others. > And the top performing content on Facebook is dominated by right wing media figures This is misleading for the same reason as Fox News being the most popular cable news network. There is only one right-leaning cable news network, whereas CNN and MSNBC split the left-leaning vi…

The conservative content that is popular on Facebook is not news, it’s people like Dan Bongino, Ben Shapiro, Mark Levine... and it’s not like there is a shortage of right wing media personalities.

You have to remember, a huge proportion of engagement on the Facebook Blue app are boomers and folks outside of large cities.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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post #88

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Or just a button for 'this is fake news' or some such. Once say 10 people click that they stop it spreading. Bit like the flagging system on HN.

> Once say 10 people click that they stop it spreading. What will actually happen is that 10 people who do not share your political or societal views will flag that news item irrespective of its true or false status, and we're back to step one. That's why FB tried that "internal commissions of truth"-thingie (or whatever it's called), but obviously that cannot scale and, also obviously, they also have their own biase…

i feel like slashdot was onto something a couple decades ago with metamoderation. the question is whether you can wrap the moderation decision enough times to get rid of the biases.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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What are you talking about? The Daily Caller is one of Facebook’s official fact checker partners: https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/facebooks-fact-c... And the top performing content on Facebook is dominated by right wing media figures: https://mobile.twitter.com/FacebooksTop10

> The Daily Caller is one of Facebook’s official fact checker partners That doesn't tell you how much they weight it compared to the others. > And the top performing content on Facebook is dominated by right wing media figures This is misleading for the same reason as Fox News being the most popular cable news network. There is only one right-leaning cable news network, whereas CNN and MSNBC split the left-leaning vi…

The Facebook top 10 is dominated by a large set of right wing media figures, with it varying quite a bit which subset appears during any given period. Your splitting theory does not work.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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post #183

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Only if they wanted a fair balance, I think Facebook is just aiming to under advertise Conservatives. There is no secret that about 95% of all donations from Silicon Valley goes to Democrats. It won't take too long until the whole world is a mirror of California.

It's not quite 95% all around, here are the top ones with the percentage of all their employees' contributions to the Democrat party: Netflix = 98% Nvidia = 93% Adobe = 93% IBM = 90% Salesforce = 89% Google = 88% Microsoft = 85% Apple = 84% Paypal = 84% Cisco = 80% Amazon = 77% Facebook = 77% Intel = 68% Broadcom = 68% Oracle = 67% Texas Instruments = 60% Qualcomm = 50% Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/most-li…

Those are employee contributions, in their capacity as private citizens, not contributions made by the company. Don't forget to count company PAC contributions, often made to both sides.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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You know, there's only one thing that bothers me more than political organisers spreading fear and misinformation through social networks. And that's social networks becoming "Ministries of Truth", deciding for themselves what information is fit to be shared with the masses, and what must be suppressed. I mean, all the evidence we've seen over the years suggests that Facebook is in no way, shape, or form trustworthy.

I'm bothered that there seems to be a vocal subset on HN who say that freedom of speech doesn't apply to these platforms.

You know that Facebook is private and can do whatever they please as far as content goes, right? Use a different platform if it bothers you so - free markets!
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