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Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by dr-detroit » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:13 PM UTC

lettergram wrote: post #122

belorn wrote: post #112

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The only democratic way to have a vetting system for political messages would be to have an transparent government institute that are responsible to the public, and it seems to me then that we have just reinvented the censor bureau of the past.

Ugh we have a constitution to protect against stuff like this... Otherwise we’d have the ministry of truth which would be arresting people for inappropriate thoughts being expressed.

Facebook is like yelling fire in every crowded movie theater at the same time X 1000000

A large segment of the population is getting high off of fiction about politicians as supervillains. People who have no access to alternative drugs so they are addicted to facebook dopamine. This is not free speech is silicon valley brainscience run amok.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by UncleMeat » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

hnracer wrote: post #134

UncleMeat wrote: post #113

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I would expect somebody who has "nothing to do with neo-nazis" to say "wow, I've made a huge mistake" and leave the first time they hear somebody they are marching next to shout "gas the k--es, race war now". Who specifically are these hypothetical good people? Unlike you, I do believe that every counterprotestor was associated with antifa. It was an antifascist counterprotest. That is antifa. Support for the Lee sta…

I would also expect somebody to not march alongside neo-marxists and self-professed communists (antifa) with a history of violent extremism (according to the FBI director Wray) but there you go. > Support for the Lee statue has never been seriously about history This is irrelevant to the question of whether there were non-white supremacists in attendance. What matters as to people's motives is whether people think th…

Then your conclusion should be that there were no fine people on either side, not that there were. If you truly believe that leftism is as evil as racial genocide then actually stand by that.

If ignorance leads you to provide ammunition for people who support racial genocide and you don’t leave once you notice the nazi flags flying at a march you attend... I really don’t know what to say.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by dr-detroit » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

sawjet wrote: post #135

GavinMcG wrote: post #115

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Not intended to derail this, but could someone point to/recommend conservative groups who a) have denounced white supremacy, and b) are reasonably data- or analytically-driven?

Do you automatically presume any conservative group is white supremacists by default?

If they voted for (((Agent Orange))) yes

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by cryptica » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

It's good to see Facebook finally taking a firm stand against fake news and hate speech. All this hateful fake news makes me (pronouns he/him) feel unsafe about the future.

The other day, my Fitbit indicated to me that my heartbeat was abnormally high; I was panicking and hyperventilating... Thankfully Alexa automatically ordered me a puffer from Amazon and I was able to calm myself down. That's how unsafe all this fake news makes me feel. Someone needs to take a stand against Trump's basket of deplorables. They're hurting my democracy.

I'm so pleased that Biden is taking a lead in all the polls. These deplorables are not qualified to vote, they don't know what's good for them so we have to choose for their own protection. I know how important it is that we can all feel safe. Biden is the only way to feel safe.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by commandlinefan » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:20 PM UTC

smileysteve wrote: post #149

BestCatalonia wrote: post #67

This is ironic. The west blames China for censorship while today they support their own. China truly has vision banning facebook from.the beginning

It's only censorship if the government does it. If Facebook runs editorial on any of it's content, it simply follows the same process private (and/or) foreign media companies have done since 1776.

No, it's censorship no matter who does it. It's only illegal if the government does it.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by hanselot » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

Since when did the honus of identifying sophistry fall to someone else?

Only you are able to think critically about what information you absorb.

If you don't, you probably shouldn't have the right to affect other people's lives.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by GavinMcG » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:28 PM UTC

sawjet wrote: post #135

GavinMcG wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not intended to derail this, but could someone point to/recommend conservative groups who a) have denounced white supremacy, and b) are reasonably data- or analytically-driven?

Do you automatically presume any conservative group is white supremacists by default?

No, but I can't bring to mind any that have denounced white supremacy. Which is why I'm asking.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by pessimizer » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:29 PM UTC

hnaccy wrote: post #35

erichocean wrote: post #26

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> there is a good chance we won't know the result of this elect on election night (or possibly within the first week) That's by design.[0] The goal is to have the media and protests decide who wins the election if Trump appears to win on Nov 3rd, using the same playbook currently being run in Belarus as we speak (and that was run successfully in 2014 in Ukraine). Why? It works: we can't have another 4 years of Donald…

>Why? It works: we can't have another 4 years of Donald Trump. If it looks like he might win, we can attack the legitimacy of the vote and install Biden instead. There's been one camp consistently attacking the legitimacy of the election and it's not Biden's.

> There's been one camp consistently attacking the legitimacy of the election and it's not Biden's.

This definitely isn't true. Both parties have been repeatedly claiming that a loss for their side will be evidence that the election isn't legitimate.

All mainstream Democratic Party discourse has been revolving around the delegitimisation of the results of the 2016 election, and an insistence that exactly the same process is happening during the 2020 election. It's the only reason we're paying attention to Facebook ads, because Facebook developers who claimed to be doing academic experimentation having too much access to user information has been tied through vagueness and innuendo to the claim that Russian government-sponsored targeted ads on Facebook delivered the 2016 election to Trump.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by UncleMeat » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:32 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #106

srtjstjsj wrote: post #57

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I'm curious what you consider the "hoax" in "very fine people hoax". Do you disagree with this analysis (linked below) which claims that the "only very fine non-white-nationalist people" Trump were either (a) at a different activity from the one Trump claimed they were doing, or (b) people who weren't there but Trump thought were there. That analysis puts Trump at best misinformed or confused, if not supportive of th…

Go to the transcript it’s clear as day: https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trump... > Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to pro…

This is why TJ needs a better history curriculum. Support for confederate statues is not support for history or even support for Lee himself. The AHA even put out a statement to clarify since people don’t seem to ask historians what they think about the subject.

Re: Facebook widens ban on political ads as alarm rises over election

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Post by driverdan » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 2:34 PM UTC

mrfusion wrote: post #151

I came across this article today and actually thought it as true for a couple minutes. https://babylonbee.com/news/facebook-will-now-add-warnings-t... I just found that telling on how bad the current state of affairs has gotten.

Babylon Bee is satire, like The Onion but with a right wing bias.

Edit: If you're going to downvote please explain why. What I said is factually correct.