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VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by romanoderoma »

lazyjones wrote: post #76
romanoderoma wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true. EU has very strict policies about emissions. The most immediate and obvious cost is not being able to drive those cars that do not respect the limits. Also: in many EU countries fuel is heavily taxed In Italy 75% of the price to the pump is taxes. Definitely not free.

> The most immediate and obvious cost is not being able to drive those cars that do not respect the limits Wishful thinking. You can still drive the most extreme of polluting vehicles as long as they're old enough, or as long as their manufacturer cheated at emission tests (many recalls are still pending for years).

> as long as they're old enough

old enough as in 30 years old at least

there are very few of them

and usually they can't be trusted to commute everyday

> as their manufacturer cheated at emission tests

that's universally true.

there was an article yesterday about Tesla Y built with cheap material and rooftop flying away while driving

I guess it can be considered dangerous too

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by Arnt »

garbagetime wrote: post #70
Gwypaas wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too simple a take on the relations between EU and Norway, here is a more comprehensive view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_... In short, as much part of EU you can be without being part of it. Norway keeps the freedom on key areas like fishing rights and agriculture while essentially being part of everything else without voting rights. And in some partnerships also having voting rights d…

>Too simple a take on the relations between EU and Norway It's just the truth. Norway is not a member of the EU. But I agree that it is good to have a strong understanding of what exactly the relationship is between Norway and the European Union.

Some of you may be noticed that the EU tends to make decisions that are acceptable to the countries that pay.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by alkonaut »

lnsru wrote: post #8
seibelj wrote: post #4

The Norwegian EV incentives: No purchase/import taxes (1990-) Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-) No annual road tax (1996-) No charges on toll roads or ferries (1997- 2017). Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018-) Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2019) Free municipal parking (1999- 2017) Parking fee for EVs was introduced locally with an upper limit of a maxi…

I guess, there should be a good charging network in Norway too. 2 years ago I was looking for a car and no available chargers close to the house was a big show stopper. Closest one is like 0,5 mile away, that makes no sense.

There's little point owning an EV if you can't charge it every night in a garage/driveway/street.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by n0rge »

ArnoVW wrote: post #69
seibelj wrote: post #4

The Norwegian EV incentives: No purchase/import taxes (1990-) Exemption from 25% VAT on purchase (2001-) No annual road tax (1996-) No charges on toll roads or ferries (1997- 2017). Maximum 50% of the total amount on ferry fares for electric vehicles (2018-) Maximum 50% of the total amount on toll roads (2019) Free municipal parking (1999- 2017) Parking fee for EVs was introduced locally with an upper limit of a maxi…

It is true that Norway has an advantage, having the money to allow them to make this sort of investment. But rightly or wrongly, the entire economy is currently awash with credit to fight the pandemic-induced economic crisis. But money is not the only reason it has worked. Norway is generating 95% of their electricity using hydro. A KW/h is cheaper in Norway than it is in France (which is notoriously cheap due to nuc…

They're already increasing some taxes from 2022 for EVs.

Basically, EVs has to pay an insurance equivalent to what motorcycles pay. Which per now is 2135 NOK or USD 230.

Governments writeup: https://www.regjeringen.no/no/aktuelt/pa-veg-mot-ei-framtid-...

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by oblio »

garbagetime wrote: post #70
Gwypaas wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too simple a take on the relations between EU and Norway, here is a more comprehensive view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway%E2%80%93European_Union_... In short, as much part of EU you can be without being part of it. Norway keeps the freedom on key areas like fishing rights and agriculture while essentially being part of everything else without voting rights. And in some partnerships also having voting rights d…

>Too simple a take on the relations between EU and Norway It's just the truth. Norway is not a member of the EU. But I agree that it is good to have a strong understanding of what exactly the relationship is between Norway and the European Union.

The truth is that except for some quite narrow fields, the EU decides a lot of things and Norway has to accept those things.

They're like Switzerland, which hemmeded and hawed about immigration from the EU, held a referendum deciding to block it, and then when the EU put an economic gun to their head, backed down and all EU citizens now have freedom of movement to Switzerland.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by oblio »

odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #26
gambiting wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>The VW emissions scandal and them being forced to switch to EVs in the US as part of the settlement/punishment Has that actually happened? From my perspective the ongoing exodus towards EVs is due to EU enforcing incredibly strict emissions standard, basically from this year every manufacturer has to have a fleet average of 100g of CO2/km traveled, with very heavy fines paid for every single car sold above that lev…

One thing I don't understand is how the EU public will afford this. I drive a Plugin Hybrid, but since moving from my old place and living in an apartment, I have no where to charge it. The closest charging station is around 12km from me and has 2 plugs (it is in an Aldi). After that there is another on 4-5 km after also with 2 plugs and one is mostly out of service. I am all for lower emission vehicles, but most peo…

I agree with you.

But once people start having en masse these problems, things will change ASAP. It's like bike infrastructure: if there are 2 bikes on the road, nobody cares, if there are 20000 bikes on the road, everybody cares.

The hardest part is getting people to care. Once you do that, they will everything in their power to make things go their way.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by 082349872349872 »

oblio wrote: post #87
garbagetime wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Too simple a take on the relations between EU and Norway It's just the truth. Norway is not a member of the EU. But I agree that it is good to have a strong understanding of what exactly the relationship is between Norway and the European Union.

The truth is that except for some quite narrow fields, the EU decides a lot of things and Norway has to accept those things. They're like Switzerland, which hemmeded and hawed about immigration from the EU, held a referendum deciding to block it, and then when the EU put an economic gun to their head, backed down and all EU citizens now have freedom of movement to Switzerland.

We've spent almost three decades negotiating and harmonising with the EU and still have plenty to work out afresh every year, so if the UK thinks it will tie up its divorce with a bowed ribbon in three months, the only word I have for that negotiating position is: brave.

Re: VW sees EVs making up 90% of Norway sales in 2021

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Post by kozak »

clouddrover wrote: post #2

Current Norwegian BEV registrations: https://elbilstatistikk.no/ Volkswagen currently has 7 models in the top 25 selling BEVs for 2020: Audi e-tron, VW e-Golf, VW ID.3, Skoda Citigo, Volkswagen e-Up!, Porsche Taycan, and SEAT Mii.

But three of those 7 models (eUp, Citigo, and Mii) should count as one, beucase they are the same car, manufactured at the same assembly line with different badges.
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