New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

Post by pmiller2 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:00 AM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #106

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I don't necessarily disagree with the premise that isolation (and support for those in that isolation) should be directed at those at greater risk, especially when Covid has such a divergent risk profile based on age and other factors. That said, my (relatively young) friends are classically trained musicians and ballet dancers. They are still screwed if their audience, which skews older, can't attend. This dynamic e…

I still say, let everyone make the decision for themselves. Many old people (the majority) that get COVID don't die, but recover. They can attend performances. I don't see why we need to destroy everyone's lives for a minority of high risk people. Let everyone make their own decisions rather than use the iron fist of government to decide for us.

Post by vmception » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:07 AM UTC

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what's the point of you writing hyperbole? all you give me is something to make a rebuttal about why banning cigarettes wouldn't have prevented hundreds of thousands of deaths instead when you already know that and are just trying to make a point about substituting lives somewhere else, which also doesn't make sense. your position - that position - is unworkable. the same leader helping politicize this non-political…

I believe you are conflating me with another user. I never said any of those things, all I said is 10x flu isn't that bad. Name calling isn't gonna win you any friends and I'll leave it at that. Have a good night

Post by luma » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:18 AM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #111

seibelj wrote: post #106

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I still say, let everyone make the decision for themselves. Many old people (the majority) that get COVID don't die, but recover. They can attend performances. I don't see why we need to destroy everyone's lives for a minority of high risk people. Let everyone make their own decisions rather than use the iron fist of government to decide for us.

It's not only high risk people who get the disease, or even only high risk people who die. And, those same "young and healthy" people you're wanting to let loose still suffer serious aftereffects. You're trivializing it by saying "only old people die," not the least because it's it's not true.

Post by throwaway189262 » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:20 AM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #108

brsg wrote: post #87

I think people's memories are a bit short regarding just how dire things were in NYC back in April. I think things are a bit more complicated than just blaming the governor for shutting down restaurants. Every resident in or around New York heard ambulances 24/7. Everyone knew someone that got very sick (not that anyone could even prove that they had it since testing was extremely scarce). The virus was still very ne…

> There's very few legal restrictions on offices reopening at this point, but very few have actually come back. The triple of lockdowns, vanishing tourists, and vanishing office workers is just too much for small businesses. I think this is key. For people trying to blame the governor of New York, just look across the political spectrum to Texas. I am not a fan of Greg Abbott in any sense, but I will give credit wher…

Post by Scipio_Afri » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 5:34 AM UTC

pmiller2 wrote: post #112

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I have no clue why not, but a similiar thing has happened in the rental market. Lots of landlords keeping the rates of apt. the same, and forcing people to move out. Then, they find out they can't rent at those prices, they still are hesitant to drop prices and just offer 3-4 months of 'free rent' instead. Many, eventually do capitulate, but this seems to take months or even more (for some, their building contracts h…

> Then, they find out they can't rent at those prices, they still are hesitant to drop prices and just offer 3-4 months of 'free rent' instead. This one is easy to explain. Commercial real estate (which includes apartment buildings with 5+ units) is valued strictly by the amount of income it can produce, i.e. what the monthly rents are. If you drop the rent from X to 0.67X, you've basically cut your property value by…