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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by 908B64B197 »

kamaal wrote: post #929
908B64B197 wrote: post #25

This is a great move. The current H1B program made no sense at all. If I wanted to hire: A smart graduate from EPFL, Polytechnique or ETH Zurich who interned at CERN and has contributed to the Linux kernel for a software engineering job at a unicorn startup or A grad from a second tier "technical college" in India with a visa refusal rate of ~90% for a job doing manual UI testing and QA for a body shop my only path f…

You are answering your own question. If you had a job that could be done by both types of people you describe, why would you pay 4x extra for the former? Why should the guy who can write operating systems spend their time doing work that's below their skill and training experience? And if this person is ready to do this, why is the latter person held responsible for this? >>They'll both be listed as "computer related…

> Yes, because they are being hired to do the same job.

Is it? One could do both jobs (Advanced ML & QA) but I'm not sure the other could.

Question is: Should the job of guard at ToysRUs be considered a specialty occupation?

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Post by fizwhiz »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #715
fizwhiz wrote: post #178

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Yikes. I would have been unemployed by that measure because I work as a SWE without a CS degree.

Not getting H1B is not equal to unemployment.

But it does equal to unemployment in the United States because you can only get limited mileage out of OPT. Moreover, you need to work in an industry where employers are willing to sponsor an H-1B. Many of us have had to "pivot" to industries like Software when we realized that we were un-hireable in non-software industries due to our immigration status.

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Post by pbadenski »

tequila_shot wrote: post #688
belltaco wrote: post #686

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>The Pay structure that the article mentions is NOT true anymore. Take a look at the links[1], it's withdrawn and the rule is not valid. Is there any other independent confirmation that it was withdrawn? I can't find any. The PDF is still up. https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/ETA/oflc/pdfs/DOL-Int...

I posted the link to rule: https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoDetails?rrid=131148 You can correlate the RIN between the Rule and the PDF: RIN 1205-AC00

From what I understand withdrawing it was a procedural trick, see here: https://twitter.com/wstock215/status/1311824945752801281?ref... via https://redbus2us.com/h1b-perm-wage-levels-rule/

Also the rule does mention the new wage levels (eg. pages 147 and 148).

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Post by ycombonator »

mavelikara wrote: post #507
ycombonator wrote: post #453

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The new administration will absolutely roll back these changes to kowtow to pro immigration groups and wage sensitive Silicon Valley. Obama administration expanded the coverage of H1B to their spouses (H4 dependents) who previously were ineligible to work. https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...

Obama administration allowed Employment Authorization for dependents of H-1B visa holders who applied and were chosen for permanent residency and were stuck in the backlogs. Many of these people - women, mostly - have been unable to participate meaningfully in the economy of many years. What is the problem with allowing them to work while they wait for their turn to be permanent residents?

< What is the problem with allowing them to work while they wait for their turn to be permanent residents? Why have immigration quotas. Why do you have to stand in line at Starbucks? You can go straight to the counter and holler. Happens all the time in India right ? Why stand in line at all.

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Post by skelseys »

foolinaround wrote: post #892
skelseys wrote: post #774

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Or auction the H1Bs to employers. If skilled foreigners accept lower wages because the right to come to the US is worth something to them, then the price of the visa would settle at around the difference in wages. So overseas workers wouldn't undercut US residents. And the perceived monetary value of living in the US would accrue to the government, not to body shops.

certain industries might be favored over others in the case of auctions, as they might have more margins, and so, larger purchasing power.

I mean, that is how money works in general. People or organizations with more of it can outbid those with less of it.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by d1zzy »

jedberg wrote: post #9

Credit where credit is due, this is a good move. The H1B program has been abused for a long time. It sounds like these changes should help make it too expensive for the fraudulent abuse to continue.

Some of the changes I can see a logic behind it. But making electrical engineers not qualify for H1B for a SWE job is just silly and doesn't match reality. Just ask the SWEs in any 1000+ software company how many of them are electrical engineers.

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Post by CinchWrench »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #851
CinchWrench wrote: post #573

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I've seen this abused so badly though--our compliance person in HR was asking me to help write one a while back for a candidate that had a BS in mechanical engineering and no relevant work experience, claiming that a course the applicant had that taught MATLAB was sufficient experience for a role as an android dev.

A lot of Mech/Civil Eng is done with computers these days and to be blunt working in CFD for example is higher skilled than CRUD webdev

I totally agree on the sophistication--I did a ton of HPC work for my masters thesis.

But a class where you had to write some code to do basic finite element analysis or solve linear systems doesn't make you qualified work on a distributed software system.

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