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Eugene Kaspersky's son kidnapped in Moscow?

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Re: Eugene Kaspersky's son kidnapped in Moscow?

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Are there any examples of a kidnapping actually being profitable? It's almost impossible to pull off something like this. The money has to be transferred. Online? Follow the money trail. Cash? The police will embed tracking devices within the bills. (This is why you should immediately submerge your illicit cash in water. But I learned about that trick years ago, so surely the police would have waterproof equipment by…

In Chechnya (currently part of Russia) - it's a very profitable business.

Old (2001), but relevant article: http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5B...

Re: Eugene Kaspersky's son kidnapped in Moscow?

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Are there any examples of a kidnapping actually being profitable? It's almost impossible to pull off something like this. The money has to be transferred. Online? Follow the money trail. Cash? The police will embed tracking devices within the bills. (This is why you should immediately submerge your illicit cash in water. But I learned about that trick years ago, so surely the police would have waterproof equipment by…

Are there any examples of a kidnapping actually being profitable?

It's very easy for kidnapping to be profitable.

All you need is a state with a pathetic justice system.

Start with a police force terrible at finding the real perpetrators of crime. This is very common in the world. It is often found in poor states, which don't have much money for any public spending including police and fire. Often the states are autocratic or formerly-autocratic, autocratic states don't really care who's actually guilty. Very often a state is both (ex-)autocratic and poor.

The next step you need is a bad judiciary and a pathetic set of laws. For example, even violent kidnapping which involved mailing fingers to the victim's family, could only earn the convicted two years in jail. I am not making this up, two years at the most, by law.

Then lastly, have incredibly messed up laws which actually make no claim on the ransom money even if you were found guilty. Thus you can do two years in jail, and they enjoy the ransom you extorted. Often the victim's families are not particularly wealthy, or if wealthy not really capable of exacting violent street style vengeance. So you can relax and enjoy your cash.

This is how kidnapping can become a real sector of the economy, look into Columbia in the 80s, and lots of other places.

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Depends on the country and how much pull you have with law enforcement I guess. In a country like Russia with a pretty successful organized crime cartel I don't think it's impossible to pull off.

Oh, you're right. Good point. This is the same country who assassinated a former KGB agent a few years ago with Plutonium. The assassin was identified by British authorities. The Russians didn't realize that when you carry a vial of the stuff, you leave a "trail" wherever you go, which can be detected weeks later by special equipment. Russia rejected Britain's extradition requests, saying it was "unconstitutional" (w…

Also, there is no chance that Akhmed Zakaev and others who bought legal immunity will be brought to justice, so we're somewhat even.

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I've travelled through places like Mauriania and Mali, where AQIM pays local gangs a couple grand if they manage to nab some westerners. Not too long ago Spanish aid workers were kidnapped this way (traveling in the last car in a convoy) and reportedly the Spanish government paid millions to have them released. The Germans have done the same. Can you imagine what a couple million euros is to a bunch of former goat fa…

That's fascinating. I wish I knew what you read to learn what you know.

If you're not being sarcastic and you want to know what goes on in the Sahara then check out the appropriate forum on the HUBB.
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