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A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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https://dishcraft.com/ : what dishcraft is doing now...dishwashing robots. dishwashing at restaurants..as a service.

DAAS, interesting concept. However, I'm now left wondering what type of work or jobs you could not turn into an "xxxx-as-a-service." Dishwashing was something I never expected to see offered in this model.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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I find that recent models of dishwashers don’t work nearly as well as older models. They don’t heat up enough to dry water off of plastic, and the enzyme based detergents don’t seem to clean as well as the old phosphate detergents. Also, the dishwasher in our current apartment (a cheap Whirlpool) often leaves a wet dog smell on the glasses, and we can’t figure out where it comes from or how to get rid of it. Apparent…

The regulations on the wash cycles, including water volume, time, energy, and detergents, are very restrictive. Older units were not subject to the same regulations. For example, due to laws in California most commercial dish detergents won’t contain TSP (trisodium phosphate). I’ve been adding a bit of powdered TSP with the detergent pod to each load and it seems to have improved the results.

So fuck the environment, the rules are for other people?

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Semi-related: anyone here, like me, not find automated dishwashers very useful? To me it seems to take nearly the same amount of soap exposure, and time at the sink, to wash dishes by hand. Maybe if I needed gloves, I'd get frustrated with the smell your hands take on from dishgloves, but honestly washing dishes (particularly dishes that aren't precious) is pretty easy.

> anyone here, like me, not find automated dishwashers very useful?

No, when we got our fist dishwasher after our second child was born the dishwasher was like a miracle. We got so much time back each evening. It was life changing.

> same amount of soap exposure, and time at the sink, to wash dishes by hand.

What are you doing with your dishwasher that requires any soap exposure? With ours there is none. Scrape the dish into the bin/compost, stick it in the dishwasher. Every once in a while something will require a cursory rince with cold water before just to dislodge any stubborn food bits, but most of the time no prep is required.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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I wish they invented the dual side-by-side dishwasher. I want separate dirty and clean units. I’m tired of using the sink or shelves as a buffer. Just pull from the clean unit and push into the dirty unit and rotate which is which. Voilà, dramatically less handling.

Have you looked at a double drawer dishwasher: https://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/dishwashing/all-dishwashers/...

Used to have a top of the line unit. These look very pretty, but they do a really shit job washing the dishes. Replaced with a Miele unit, was a bit harder to integrate nicely but now the dishes come out clean without having to handwash them first.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

#115

Semi-related: anyone here, like me, not find automated dishwashers very useful? To me it seems to take nearly the same amount of soap exposure, and time at the sink, to wash dishes by hand. Maybe if I needed gloves, I'd get frustrated with the smell your hands take on from dishgloves, but honestly washing dishes (particularly dishes that aren't precious) is pretty easy.

Same. I live alone. I have a spot for a dishwasher under my counter, and I could afford one, but I've chosen not to own one. The problem is that there are many things you can't wash in the dishwasher, and it often does a poor job, you have to pre-rinse some things. At the end of the day, it's like, whatever, I can spend 5 minutes a day washing dishes. But I agree with others, it might make more sense when you have a…

> The problem is that there are many things you can't wash in the dishwasher

I have had a dishwasher for years. I either don't buy stuff you can't wash in the dishwasher, or wash it in the dishwasher anyway because I have better things to do than pamper some random crockery.

Except my chefs knives which never get put in there, but they are the exception.

> you have to pre-rinse some things

For me (and we cook every meal) it's the minority. It's a rarity that we ever pre-rinse.

If I lived alone it might feel differently about having a dishwasher, but it was life changing when we got one after our second child was born. However, I wouldn't not get one for the reasons you listed.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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I wish we targeted rich people with a lot more of things like these. Convince them clean air is more important for their health than the next Mediterranean carnivore diet and we might start getting the tech we need. They quickly get followed by the middle class pretending to be rich, then it becomes mass produced and available to the poor. I think the privacy aspects of automation would also be what the rich value. A…

> Mediterranean carnivore diet

I'd be surprised if that was a thing. In my experience Mediterranean cooking traditionally revolves around fish, beans and vegetables.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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We had such pressure-operated dish-washer in 1958. It operated spendidly until the kitchenmaid advertized how convenient it was. They realized it wasted about a ton of heated water everytime, no recirculation of any kind. And this heat was created by janitor shovelling coal in the boilerroom for hours everyday. No central heating plants in Helsinki at that time.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Someone in robotics once told me that successful automation looks like a dishwasher. It’s stuck with me.

It's a good saying; every once in a while there's a post on HN about yet another household robot, but people forget that things like washing machines and dishwashers are the only robots that will actually end up in people's homes in the long run; things that try to be more generic will remain hobby / research projects for a good while longer.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go and ask any guy on any street, see what you get when you'll ask "what's Paris Hilton famous for?".

Hilton Hotel heir something something TV show?

If by "TV show" you mean "sex tape" then you're on the money.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

#120

https://dishcraft.com/ : what dishcraft is doing now...dishwashing robots. dishwashing at restaurants..as a service.

Could work for large volumes, but TBH I feel like the logistics involved make it overly complicated; the industrial dishwashers mentioned elsewhere take like 90 seconds for a run. Why spend the time loading, driving, unloading, cleaning, loading, driving, unloading for a 90 second cycle?

I mean I get it when it comes to laundry (at hotel scale), the volume of stuff is much larger, it's not fragile so packaging and handling is a lot safer, and they use massive industrial laundry machines. One laundry factory can handle multiple hotels too.

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