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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Announced, not implemented. It won't take effect any sooner than 60 days from now.

Much the same thing was previously announced back in June. And something similar was announced back in April.[1] Besides, there are still L-1 visas, for foreign companies who have employees working in the US.

This is mostly a PR move.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/apr/21/trump-us-immi...

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

I fail to see the "problem" here. Most academia STEM jobs are incredibly competitive, postdocs less so than professorships but for fundamental science it is nearly indisputable that academia is flush with labour. If universities deem it too hard to raise postdoc wages across the board (or for specific foreign students) due to a lack of grant funding then they will still have ample choice of American students who go onto do the same research.

Yes, it is unfortunate for students looking to move to the US that the path through the standard academic route is no longer easily viable but that does not mean important research does not get done. There are also plenty of other countries that are in fact seeking such talent that might actually look like better options for the now disenfranchised (for lack of a better word) foreign students.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Misuse of analogy. This analogy says that inaction eventually is the right thing to do. This is action.

Absolutely not.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Why not make companies sponsor underprivileged kids who need the opportunity just as much but don’t get as much consideration?

Because a good chunk of immigrants are underpriviliged kids of the world, when you compare the GDP levels of their home countries to the US. That and US doesn’t need to pay a dime for them developing their skills while getting to skim the cream of the crop.

Importing the most educated, most entrepreneurial people is the most sane immigration policy.

It's infinitely better than importing huge numbers of uneducated fundamentalists whose culture is incompatible with the western values and includes throwing gays off of roofs.

It's better to have a few shining examples of truly great countries in the world, rather than mediocre mush everywhere. So citizens of other countries can point to such countries and tell their politicians and their friends - see, we can do better, much better.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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> It is convenient for the country to attract and retain their talent, of which there is currently a shortage. I think this subtle misdirection is how the lie gets slipped in. It's not that there is a shortage for talent. It's that there is a shortage for talent available at the price point that corporations want. Does that mean we should create an indentured servitude system to make that available? The whole idea of…

In my view, we can never not have a shortage of talent when it comes to scientific disciplines - at any pricepoint. The beauty of bringing more researchers to the country is that they eventually help create as many or more jobs than they "take".

What leads you to say that? I'd take the counterpoint. Much of what passes for "science" these days is glorified p-hacking for conference proceeding churn and sweatshop adjunct work to pump out a minimum amount of monetizable IP to underwrite an ever bloating university administration complex. It seems closer to scientism than to science for me. And I think that is the natural result of intellectual pursuit being diluted into a commodity.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

> It is convenient for the country to attract and retain their talent, of which there is currently a shortage. I think this subtle misdirection is how the lie gets slipped in. It's not that there is a shortage for talent. It's that there is a shortage for talent available at the price point that corporations want. Does that mean we should create an indentured servitude system to make that available? The whole idea of…

It's that there is a shortage for talent available at the price point that corporations want.

EXACTLY.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field https://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2020-H1B-Visa-Category.as... It isn't bias, just look at the H1B distribution, it heavily biased to the CS/IT space. Like for every possible biologist you are imagining, there probably 100 IT/CS guys coming in. I'd love to have the biologists and chemists come in, but the big IT consultancies are massively abusing the sy…

Absolutely. But perhaps it is precisely for this reason that we need a comprehensive and thoughtful reform that takes into account the value added. I am worried that blanket-raising the requirements solves one problem and creates another.

I think policy should be evaluated by whether it is better on net, not by whether it has any downside whatsoever. The latter is a sure way to be stuck in status quo.

Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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post #447

I feel like this thread has a lot of bias coming from bad experiences in the computer science field. While I do understand the bad practices of many tech companies, I think the picture is very different when you look at careers in other STEM fields, such as biology, chemistry, and physics. H1B visas are very important for foreign students in these fields particularly those hoping to pursue careers in academia. H1B vi…

If their projects are that important we should be spending more on them so they meet the minimum pay requirements.

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Are you sure the hiring bar is the same?

In Google and similar big cos, certainly. If anything it's harder because college grads in India and China are some of the most zealous and effective when it comes to Leetcoding and similar preparation techniques. The elephant in the room is that the vast majority of less-paid and supposedly 'bad' H1B talent comes from 'IT consulting firms' like Infosys, Cognizant etc. who files 10s of thousands of H1B applications,…

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Re: Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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I'm not anti-immigrant in any way, but I'm wondering if things like H1-B have just run their course. Why would I pay to essentially import a worker to the US instead of just hiring staff in another country? Currently, my teammates could be 5 blocks away or on another continent and it makes no difference.

> Currently, my teammates could be 5 blocks away or on another continent and it makes no difference. Synchronous communication with your teammates in time slots reasonable to each of you is a huge difference.

The western hemisphere is pretty big.
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