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Trump administration announces overhaul of H1B visa program requiring higher pay

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Post by core-questions »

koluna wrote: post #48
core-questions wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This means Canada brings in 25X the number of refugees per capita than the US does. > This means Canada brings in 20X the number of new immigrants per capita than the US does. You assert this as though it's just automatically a good thing with no actual analysis as to the impact on Canadians. What happens to the cultural cohesion, wages, and living standards of Canadians when immigration is at such a rapid pace? Is…

Canada is selective about immigrants (they have a points system), so all the things you call out are accounted for in their model - they bring in those their country needs. And from what I see from down south, they benefit a lot from it.

Yes, this is correct, and is largely responsible for how Canada has been able to do so well despite high numbers. However, there is no guarantee of that program continuing perpetually, considering the criticism of such ideas pouring out of the USA.

(Though we'd have to be really mad to replace it with a lottery...)

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Post by mekoka »

Maybe there's something I'm missing about the appeal of H1B, but I don't understand why this announcement would be a big game changer in a post-Covid-19 world. Organizations are in the midst of more drastic adaptations and H1B appears as relevant as the DVD in a world of video streaming. My understanding is that it allowed organizations that were more comfortable doing things the "traditional way", show up to work every day and sit in a cubicle, a way to spend money and energy to bring people over, so that they would do just that. Covid-19 forced them into a reality they dreaded and they survived and are adapting. Now that remote is becoming a norm, the new edge will be to do it across wide regions and time zones, which in my opinion is an even easier adaptation than the previous.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I fail to see the point of H1B in that reality. How did remote-first or remote-only organizations used H1B before March?

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Post by azurezyq »

hoot wrote: post #214
chairmanwow1 wrote: post #189

Overall, I really support these changes. However, this piece really struck me as a big mistake: "Under the changes, an applicant must have a college degree in the specific field in which he or she is looking to work. A software developer, for example, wouldn’t be awarded an H-1B visa if that person has a degree in electrical engineering." Some of the best software engineers I know are graduate degree holders from neu…

I share the same experience. The most talented software developers that I've worked with have just about all been EE's. On the flip side, I've also met some terrible software developers who were also EE's.

And I met so many engineers with CS major but have no idea how to write good code or design docs.

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Post by claudeganon »

runarberg wrote: post #268
dudul wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you avoid seeing 500M indians/Chinese landing in America on the very next day? I think there is a middle ground between the disaster that are immigration laws today, and full open borders.

Bad scare call. In the US, over 3 million Puerto Ricans are now allowed to migrate to the mainland US (say to DC). The borders are completely open to them. In Europe, similarly, around 20M Romanians are allowed to Sweden. But they don’t. Just because people are allowed to migrate, it doesn’t mean they will. And in the case of an overwhelming majority, they won’t.

> In the US, over 3 million Puerto Ricans are now allowed to migrate to the mainland US

It should be clarified that this is because they are US citizens. Everyone in North Dakota can move to DC too.

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Post by soperj »

mekoka wrote: post #402

Maybe there's something I'm missing about the appeal of H1B, but I don't understand why this announcement would be a big game changer in a post-Covid-19 world. Organizations are in the midst of more drastic adaptations and H1B appears as relevant as the DVD in a world of video streaming. My understanding is that it allowed organizations that were more comfortable doing things the "traditional way", show up to work ev…

It's been abused in the past, just because you don't see it being abused in the future, doesn't mean that something shouldn't be done about it.

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Post by tequila_shot »

swyx wrote: post #52
airstrike wrote: post #4

Link to DHS press release: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/10/06/department-homeland-secu... Probably a better link than the WSJ submission – even though I'm a subscriber, I want the facts, and the facts seem to be hard to find As a matter of fact, I still haven't found the actual "interim final rule" (an oxymoron if I've ever seen one), so if anyone has a link, I'd be immensely grateful EDIT: Here's the unpublished ru…

how much higher wages are we talking? skimmed the ruling and didnt see anything.

The rule doesn't say. It looks like something that was part of the original plan but removed. I don't see it anywhere in the PDF linked above.

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Post by mavelikara »

tootie wrote: post #275
dognotdog wrote: post #90

Is it only me, or does this sound pretty empty? Except for narrowing of the `specialty occupation` moniker, all the rest seem like things that are already part of the H1-B program?

I'm not anti-immigrant in any way, but I'm wondering if things like H1-B have just run their course. Why would I pay to essentially import a worker to the US instead of just hiring staff in another country? Currently, my teammates could be 5 blocks away or on another continent and it makes no difference.

> Currently, my teammates could be 5 blocks away or on another continent and it makes no difference.

Synchronous communication with your teammates in time slots reasonable to each of you is a huge difference.

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Post by chrisseaton »

briandear wrote: post #396
chrisseaton wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're looking at people with kinda average engineering skills, poor understanding of the American culture, no connections, and grim determination to grind their way out of their old life. I don't think these are the kind of people getting an H1B visa, though. It's usually the super-talented people they hire on H1B.

If they are “super talented,” then why not the O-1 visa?

I think that's for internationally recognised level people rather than just super talented at what you do?
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