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Post by totetsu »

3pt14159 wrote: post #206

There is a lot of political science research that speaks to growing xenophobia when immigration is unleashed. I understand the sentiment—I'm very pro-immigration—but with respect to domestic policy my primary goal is stability and faith in government. Personally, I like how my country, Canada, does it. Points based system that rewards multiple factors, including skills, employability, and fluency in English and Frenc…

I often hear people say things like, diversity leads to conflict, but what is the actual research?

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Post by rayiner »

runarberg wrote: post #233
3pt14159 wrote: post #206

There is a lot of political science research that speaks to growing xenophobia when immigration is unleashed. I understand the sentiment—I'm very pro-immigration—but with respect to domestic policy my primary goal is stability and faith in government. Personally, I like how my country, Canada, does it. Points based system that rewards multiple factors, including skills, employability, and fluency in English and Frenc…

Xenophobia is more expected, when the immigrant population is ghettoized, alienated, given fewer opportunities and stricter policing, and made to compete with the local population for limited jobs. A more reasonable policy would be to make sure the that doesn't happen. Say by abolishing racist policing, better urban planning, better labor laws, and partly socialized job market. EDIT: Changed wording, previously incor…

> A more reasonable policy would be to make sure the that doesn't happen. Say by abolishing racist policing, better urban planning, better labor laws, and partly socialized job market

It’s not clear to me that these things are true. Unions and socialized job markets, for example, often exacerbate ghettoization by excluding née entrants from the labor market.

It’s hard to argue with the success story that is the US. Nearly every immigrant group in the US has seen incomes converges with the native population within a few generations. Even today, that’s happening for Hispanic immigrants.

That’s true few other places. Fourth generation Muslims in France, for example, are still often ghettoized.

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Post by asdf_snar »

victor106 wrote: post #46

I finally agree with something this administration is doing. This is a solid move. H1B has been/is being abused by all companies (big and small) for a number of years at the cost of not only American workers but also the visa holders. The only ones benefiting are the companies that sponsor H1B visas by suppressing wages for everyone. I just hope the new administration don't role back these changes. Typically when a n…

> The only ones benefiting are the companies that sponsor H1B visas by suppressing wages for everyone.

... and those of us (perhaps sufficiently few) who work on H1B legally, for the visa's purpose (insufficient American expertise).

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Post by Riverheart »

ponker wrote: post #322
perfectbeeing wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This undecided voter would appreciate the gesture of you sharing with me some examples of the “other absolutely horrible stuff”.

The three worst are: normalization of racism after 50 years of steadily decreasing racism in America, terrible COVID response responsible for 100,000+ deaths in excess of what average countries have achieved, and vast corruption that has destroyed hundreds-of-years-old norms on presidential conduct (Secret Service forced to buy rooms at Mar A Lago, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs participating in a political stunt in un…

* Separated families at the border fleeing violence * Installs government officials with conflicts of interest or intentions of undermining their goals (EPA, Post Office, Dept Education) * Asks foreign nations to dig up dirt on his opponents * Cosies up to authoritarians while insulting our allies (NATO anyone?) * Undermined the free press by calling everything he doesn't like fake news regardless of its validity * literally trying to call the next election into question so he can bring it to the supreme court by not agreeing to a peaceful transition of power and stoking fears about mail-in ballots o__0

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Post by School-Cotton »

booleandilemma wrote: post #122
jzymbaluk wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is right. The answer that's best for the economy is to allow more immigration, not less (especially skilled immigration). This move will just make it more dificult for the average company to sponsor H1B workers

Serious question: wouldn’t that be leaving less jobs open for Americans? As an American myself, I want to see my fellow Americans getting good jobs over people from other countries.

> As an American myself, I want to see my fellow Americans getting good jobs over people from other countries.

Why?

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Post by linuxftw »

chairmanwow1 wrote: post #189

Overall, I really support these changes. However, this piece really struck me as a big mistake: "Under the changes, an applicant must have a college degree in the specific field in which he or she is looking to work. A software developer, for example, wouldn’t be awarded an H-1B visa if that person has a degree in electrical engineering." Some of the best software engineers I know are graduate degree holders from neu…

> Some of the best software engineers I know are graduate degree holders from neuroscience, biophysics, EE, and more

This is evidence that H-1B shouldn't apply to those positions, they don't require any skill set that is in actual shortage.

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Post by tylerhou »

mikeyouse wrote: post #98
notJim wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The H1B program has been abused for a long time What's the abuse?

"Body shops" like Infosys and Tata Consulting that import thousands of H1Bs under borderline fraudulent applications, and then underpay these employees. Just a random link, but the contours of the problem: https://www.epi.org/blog/new-data-infosys-tata-abuse-h-1b-pr...

Sure, there are low paid H1B workers, but why is that necessarily a problem? Your link shows no evidence that they depress the wages or employment of native-born workers.

In fact, there are many proper economic analyses that show that native-born workers benefit from immigration:

https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/3pi8vo/highsk...

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Post by muzaffarpur »

pedroma wrote: post #300
muzaffarpur wrote: post #72

It's not gonna take a long time before, most of the tech jobs move to Canada/rest of world. Why should someone hire entry/mid level engineer in usa, if they can hire at same price much senior engineer in same time zone? After successful taste of work from home, things have changed a lot. Unfortunately, now USA have not much to offer (rising healthcare cost, continuous degradation/humiliation of non white immigrants,…

It'd just reach some equilibrium. In your scenario, American workers will eventually just accept lower pay (we're overpaid already anyways). Why should someone hire entry/mid level engineer in Canada, if they can hire at same price the same level engineer in the same city?

Look at the work force in other business sectors. What do you see? Do you see competition? I think tech world have changed quite a bit post Covid (I might be wrong),health care cost is rising(irrespective of where one lives in USA, ), college education cost. There is no competition. The general consensus in American civil society after Bernie's defeat is, there is no need to keep majority of Americans healthy and educated. Sorry.

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Post by outworlder »

rjsw wrote: post #285
cm2187 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's going to be interesting for people who studied humanities. In banking, you have even more diverse backgrounds than software development.

Is there a shortage of bankers in the US ?

Are bankers fungible?

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Post by pseudalopex »

dmode wrote: post #145
flowerlad wrote: post #93

Requiring competitive wages is a good move. They should also have allowed H1B holders to switch to a different employer without requiring a new visa. Along with that they should also have increased the number of H1B visas available. Currently many strong developers are being hired into Amazon and Microsoft but being positioned in Vancouver BC (a Canadian city a couple of hours from Seattle) [1]. These developers take…

Offering competitive wages has always been part of H1 requirement

In theory.[1]

[1] https://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wa...

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