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Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Appsail was nanobox from what I saw, they redid it between appsail and "apps".

If Appsail was cancelled, what's the point of nanobox acquiring .. I wonder?

Maybe an acquihire? I don't recall seeing any of the nanobox people even mentioned or reply in any of the slack messages. So I am not really sure.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

#92

Details aside, I think having a PAAS is awesome and something we’re really missing on AWS.

AWS has a PaaS: Elastic Beanstalk. Though I would forgive you for forgetting about EB since it sometimes feels like AWS's neglected step child.

Amplify is also PaaS-ish.

https://aws.amazon.com/amplify/

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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We do plan to let you set min and max bounds for autoscaling once it is implemented. This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about, but for money rather than computing resources or bandwidth. I'd like a feature that where the requirement is effectively "Fall back to a serving sorry-I'm-poor.html instead of the app if the total monthly bill has exceeded $xxx". For a side project I'm more interested in not paying…

For what it's worth, we (Fly.io) have this feature, and announced it as part of our launch post on HN. But literally no one has asked us to enable it on their apps. So we never made it self service. I think for most companies, it's better to set the expectation that the service costs money, bursts will cost more money, and then forgive outlier charges once or twice. It's tremendously difficult to compete against the…

> putting work into features specifically to minimize how much people spend seems like a good way to fail a company.

What a customer-hostile thing to say, never working with you!

What if I told you that if you're actually trying to build a relationship with your customers and have them want to do business with you, it's best to focus on solving their problems as opposed to taking as much of their money as possible.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Details aside, I think having a PAAS is awesome and something we’re really missing on AWS.

AWS has a PaaS: Elastic Beanstalk. Though I would forgive you for forgetting about EB since it sometimes feels like AWS's neglected step child.

Yep. I deployed https://www.seamless.cloud to AWS Elastic Beanstalk, and I have been very happy with it. It is currently setup as a Load Balancer + 2 nodes + RDS PostgreSQL db. SSL is free and included if you also use Route53 for DNS. Pretty easy to setup, scale, and configure for an AWS product.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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For what it's worth, we (Fly.io) have this feature, and announced it as part of our launch post on HN. But literally no one has asked us to enable it on their apps. So we never made it self service. I think for most companies, it's better to set the expectation that the service costs money, bursts will cost more money, and then forgive outlier charges once or twice. It's tremendously difficult to compete against the…

Very interesting that this feature is often demanded in tones of righteous outrage on posts about autoscaling cloud services, yet when actually implemented, nobody has actually set it up.

> So we never made it self service.

I may not underestand parent, but it sounds like its not equivalent to a button next to the auto-scale but more like an email and pre-requisite knowledge that it exists?

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Is it just me, or is $15/mo for the cheapest Postgres-with-backups a bit steep? Heroku's free DBs (or $9/mo basic plan) support daily backups. I've currently got a web app I'm just self-hosting on a DO VPS for $5/month. I have a Postgres DB on the same VPS (via a Docker image), with a 10-line shell script & cron job for backups to Backblaze B2 (which costs ~nothing/month for my tiny DB). Additionally, my web app is a…

I think you're stating the reasons already. There are people who don't want to self manage. They want a fully managed solution and don't want to think about the ops.

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Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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I Like the example RSS app (https://github.com/do-community/rss-reader-api) that DO provide. It's Django REST Framework but without a lot of the 'magic'. I reckon the DRF docs should link to it as a good example. When learning DRF from the docs tutorial it's so easy to get bogged down in the features that are meant to simplify everything that when something breaks it takes someone unfamiliar with the source a long time to troubleshoot. This example though, is very easy to follow.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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Is it just me, or is $15/mo for the cheapest Postgres-with-backups a bit steep? Heroku's free DBs (or $9/mo basic plan) support daily backups. I've currently got a web app I'm just self-hosting on a DO VPS for $5/month. I have a Postgres DB on the same VPS (via a Docker image), with a 10-line shell script & cron job for backups to Backblaze B2 (which costs ~nothing/month for my tiny DB). Additionally, my web app is a…

This sounds a bit like the "Why pay for dropbox when rsync is free?" argument. Sure you can do all of that yourself, but for just $10 / mo (5->15) you don't have to worry about it. That's really what they're selling.

$120 / year for peace of mind that your production DB is backed up is well worth it for a lot of people, especially if the alternative is potentially a bug in a homegrown shell script which could silently fail catastrophically and lose your whole DB.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

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HN when discussing their own project milestones: "Agile everything! Organic features." HN when discussing a new product: "OUTRAGE! It must support EVERYTHING I want on launch day!"

Right, it’s almost as if there’s more than one person here, with more than one temperament.

Re: DigitalOcean App Platform

#100

I am so glad to see this. I was looking to deploy an app and the choice is either Heroku or manage your own server which I don't want to do. Heroku gives instant deployment for the most common types of apps (python/java/ruby). It's PaaS done right, it's fantastic. You should really have a look if you're not aware of it, it's only $7 for a starter app. Problem is, scaling up is about $50 per gigabyte of memory which m…

There is also Cloud 66 which works with not only digital ocean but many other cloud providers, like a Heroku on top of any cloud.
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