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Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by dexwiz » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #219

jacobriis wrote: post #62

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"What you will find is that people are friendly, as long as you look like them (white)." Be aware that when people say things like this they often do so to feel virtuous themselves like only they are so enlightened that only they even consider being friendly to non white people. The idea that people in the Midwest (which has a population of over 65 million people similar to France and the UK) are only friendly to whi…

People might not be objectively racist, but if you grew up in a school district where the high school of 14,000 kids only had 10 black people attending, you will hear some disgusting stereotypical comments and some very off color jokes eventually whether you are a minority or not. People uttering these things might not even see how damaging these comments are to the groups they target, because they've never met very…

This is spot on.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by dogman144 » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

bmd3991 wrote: post #220

dogman144 wrote: post #195

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Putting aside that Prince and the LGBT capital of the midwest make Minneapolis the coolest of cool, Chicago is the real dark horse in all of this. The costs there, especially for apartments, and in really interesting areas(as in actually interesting to a NYC person), are honestly no slouch. Add in legit fintech jobs and salaries, it sounds like only the state politics and city challenges are keeping people away.

I'd say Chicago is such a dark horse that it's unfair to include it in this article. Well not unfair exactly, but it doesn't fit in with the rest of the list given its size. The list is about midwestern cities, but we all know it's really talking about the migration of people from large to medium sized cities, of which Chicago is not one

Yeah not quite apples:apples. I'd move to CHI way quicker than I would Cleveland.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by _qulr » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:44 PM UTC

bmd3991 wrote: post #198

talentedcoin wrote: post #192

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Maybe because not everyone is a brainwashed victim of jumped-up consumer society. Maybe you don't care about the new ramen place, and maybe you don't care about other people's ideas of "world class:". Maybe you'd rather spend time with your family. If you go to Madison WI and want to "blow your brains out" maybe the problem is not Madison WI. Some of us do like the peace and quiet. Different strokes for different fol…

Yeah I mean I was trying to convey that I understand why SOME people would like that, and maybe I failed at that. Though, to be fair, I don't think wanting to enjoy a good bowl of noodles as often as possible is as bad as a thing as you're making it out to be lol. I don't think there's anything objectively wrong with Madison. I'm just surprised that it seems like 99.999% of people would prefer that lifestyle to one i…

I agree with you. Madison is a great college town, and it's a great place to raise kids, but the social life for non-college adults without kids is... not ideal.

I've been trying to get out of here and move to a bigger city, but the pandemic put those plans on hold. (Madison is a pretty good place to hunker down now, or was before they re-opened the University.)

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by asdff » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #178

prepend wrote: post #156

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You’re not obligated to do anything, especially not to help me and others better understand you or make your comments useful. “The south” ranges from Virginia to Texas. Maybe you lived everywhere and experienced discrimination everywhere. For me, I grew up in a down of a 1000 people and live just a few hours away in a town with maybe one of the most diverse cultures (including LGBT) in the country. If I said that bec…

To be clear, you're accusing me of tarring an entire region for relaying an experience I had in it. I didn't even make any claim that the South is more discriminatory against LGBT people than elsewhere, though if you're going to project that onto me anyway... I guarantee you apply this kind of radical stance against all generalization in a very selective way. Do you get upset if someone says that Russia is a repressi…

It's like when people hear a statement like you've made they recoil and assume that 100% of your interactions in a region involve discrimination. What they fail to understand is that the rate you experienced discrimination is higher in these areas than in others. It's a probability, it's clear to me from the context that surely not every interaction of yours in the south is bad, but given drawing a random interaction out of a hat, you are more likely to have a bad one living in Virginia than in New York. Given this reality, I wouldn't want to live in the American South either.

There must be some sort of logical block that prevents people from understanding the nuance in these comments, and rushing to defend against absolutes that no one implied existed. I blame a lack of understanding of statistics and probability.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by pb7 » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

twox2 wrote: post #214

throwawaygh wrote: post #136

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I can rent a $4,500 apartment and still save, post-tax , at least $100,000 more than I could save post-tax anywhere in the midwest except maybe Chicago. Even including the value of paying off a mortgage vs. rent. Tech jobs that pay more than $300,000 -- maybe $350,000 -- simply don't exist in large quantities outside major job markets. And the ones that do aren't the "trusted senior individual contributor with plenty…

" simply don't exist in large quantities outside major job markets." Job's that pay that much don't exist in large quantities period. If you think otherwise, you live in a walled garden.

That may be true but they still appear an order of magnitude less in the Midwest than coastal hubs so the point is the same.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by bmd3991 » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

dogman144 wrote: post #218

bmd3991 wrote: post #188

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Agreed about the trendy medium sized cities - people love them but they seem so bland to me for the same reason (great another craft burger place...). You're right that there are probably more natural little Italy's out there, but no way you'll find an equally good Chinatown within a 2 hour drive of that little Italy. But, if you love Italian food and hate Chinese, then maybe that's a trade you're (not you specifical…

So, I'd actually push back on that and say you will find cities with a variety of "new" immigrants and related community cultures stacked on top of the older immigrant communities that are still there (think your various Eastern Europeans). It makes for a unique mix. There's a variety of reasons for this I could speculate on, and three of the firmer ones are refugee resettlement (Minneapolis and Somalis, pre-cool Cal…

Edit: The more I think about this the more I realize I'm probably unqualified to be having this discussion, since I really haven't lived in enough of these places to talk diversity of communities

Yeah I mean I agree with you in theory, but I just haven't seen that in practice. I'm not saying you're wrong - the most likely answer here is that I just haven't been to the places that you're talking about.

All of the midwestern cities that I've lived in have definitely lacked a lot of cultural diversity, even if you drive out to the outskirts of the city where the majority of minorities tend to live (again, in the cities I've been to).

Maybe because the majority of people in these cities aren't as interested in the diversity, so the diverse populations can't really start a business that succeeds since no one (outside of their tiny community) wants to go there?

Or, I'm just wrong and haven't been to the right places

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by santaclaus » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:49 PM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #223

throwawaygh wrote: post #174

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Exactly. I think Pittsburgh has more in common with non-NYC New York than with Ohio. It feels much more like a non-Boston/NYC Northeastern city than like e.g. Columbus or Indianapolis.

I'm from Pittsburgh, my partner is from New Jersey. We argue about this (in a playful way) all the time; Pittsburgh is east coast, to me. Ohio is midwest. She counters with "a seven hour drive to the water is not on the coast."

I used to follow your Rust work and had no idea you are yinzer! Mineo’s or Aiello’s? :)

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by asdff » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:49 PM UTC

nilkn wrote: post #208

DetroitThrow wrote: post #158

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Being more specific about the locale would help. Nashville is not Atlanta, NOLA is not Tampa when it comes to flavors of discriminatory attitudes - and rural or suburban attitudes are different as well. Describing where you went to for relief also adds even more context.

Not to mention Houston, for instance, is one of the most diverse cities in the entire country -- more diverse than much of CA. It's also one of the largest and most iconic cities of the South.

Houston remains one of the most segregated cities in the entire country.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by talentedcoin » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

bmd3991 wrote: post #198

talentedcoin wrote: post #192

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Maybe because not everyone is a brainwashed victim of jumped-up consumer society. Maybe you don't care about the new ramen place, and maybe you don't care about other people's ideas of "world class:". Maybe you'd rather spend time with your family. If you go to Madison WI and want to "blow your brains out" maybe the problem is not Madison WI. Some of us do like the peace and quiet. Different strokes for different fol…

Yeah I mean I was trying to convey that I understand why SOME people would like that, and maybe I failed at that. Though, to be fair, I don't think wanting to enjoy a good bowl of noodles as often as possible is as bad as a thing as you're making it out to be lol. I don't think there's anything objectively wrong with Madison. I'm just surprised that it seems like 99.999% of people would prefer that lifestyle to one i…

That's fair. Sometimes I think having a family just flips a bit in our brains -- like that whole Larry Niven thing about the Pak Protectors lol. And you're right, I was being a bit unfair about the noodles ;)

For myself I've always been a person of quiet habits. I love visiting the big city and taking in the vibrancy and life (museums! concerts!), but, boy oh boy, the older I get, the more I like to come back to my small/medium-sized city. But there are people who literally live in the middle of nowhere and seem to be just fine. Who knows? The world is mysterious and complex.

Thanks for the reply.

Re: Hiring for tech jobs has increased more than 100% in these Midwestern cities

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Post by scarmig » Tue, Oct 06, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #234

scarmig wrote: post #178

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To be clear, you're accusing me of tarring an entire region for relaying an experience I had in it. I didn't even make any claim that the South is more discriminatory against LGBT people than elsewhere, though if you're going to project that onto me anyway... I guarantee you apply this kind of radical stance against all generalization in a very selective way. Do you get upset if someone says that Russia is a repressi…

It's like when people hear a statement like you've made they recoil and assume that 100% of your interactions in a region involve discrimination. What they fail to understand is that the rate you experienced discrimination is higher in these areas than in others. It's a probability, it's clear to me from the context that surely not every interaction of yours in the south is bad, but given drawing a random interaction…

Exactly. I've also experienced discrimination in San Francisco, for what it's worth! But as soon as you make any statement that it tends to be more common in the South (or even if it's merely implied), people end up triggered and rise up in defense of it.