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Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Sadly Australia did the opposite - they can force us to backdoor applications and punish us for refusing. Australia is not the place to look for security applications.

Ah, the old penal colony mindset where the citizens are secretly prisoners.

When asked about how the law would ban certain mathematical operations, IIRC the Australian PM said something along the lines of "The laws of mathematics should be subservient to the laws of Australia"

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Here is the contact form for the Senator who is Chairman of the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. I'm pretty sure that's the committee who would be involved with this bill. https://www.wicker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

It already passed through the Senate Judiciary Committee unanimously

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the old penal colony mindset where the citizens are secretly prisoners.

When asked about how the law would ban certain mathematical operations, IIRC the Australian PM said something along the lines of "The laws of mathematics should be subservient to the laws of Australia"

Yeah, good luck with that. Let us know how it works out for you, Australia.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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> I see this defeatism all the time regarding climate change too. And I see people suggest that we aren't completely screwed because we got 10,000 people to walk down a street one time. Its an insane position and we need dramatic measures that the human race in its current form are unable to enact. * Climate change is going to happen because people like cars and supermarkets and nobody is asking anyone to _actually_…

It's needlessly negative to suggest we have to first "lose" to make positive change.

you're being facetious. We don't "have to first lose", its just the very likely outcome is that we will lose.

That's not to say its not worth trying but that we should assume failure, otherwise you end up like the UK's Brexit negotiators who were "all-in" on the "oh they'll buckle as the time runs out" strategy and have no plan if that doesn't pan out beyond "so what now?".

The basic strategy right now seems to run on the basic belief that human-kind will figure out its slowly destroying its habitat and change accordingly. I don't think we've even managed to all figure out the extent of the destruction let alone even start to change accordingly.

What habits have we changed since the 1990s within our population to cut global carbon emissions? I'm struggling to glue a couple of things together. If I'm not mistaken, global air travel has _soared_ within that time window and everyone is just sitting on their hands under the mistaken belief that renewables will bail us out while we all still drive in a car to go to the supermarket.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Things the EARN-IT bill (reminder: supposedly designed to protect children) doesn't do: - Increase funding for child protective services & foster care services - Increase funding for parents (EBT, social work, etc) - Increase funding for schools (comprehensive sex ed, etc) Because our priority is kids! Honestly! Seriously I mean it!

Not to be pedantic, but those services are funded at the state level, so it would be odd if they allocated part of the Federal budget for it. Not that that would be bad, it's just that there are norms for who-does-what in gov't, and overlap of responsibilities is usually bad.

The federal government can provide funding for state programs without taking over the administration of those programs. That happens all the time.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Back in late medieval europa most postal services had a back room, called cabinet noir where letters where carefully opened, read and resealed to check them for signs of treason against the crown or cross. These were often abused for what we today would call economic espionage. For these reasons many rich people employed private couriers who traveled to their business partners in person to hand over messages. Those w…

I agree. If we allow the state to start reading all of our correspondence, we are going to start losing our freedoms at a far faster rate than we already have.

"start"

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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post #217

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It's needlessly negative to suggest we have to first "lose" to make positive change.

you're being facetious. We don't "have to first lose", its just the very likely outcome is that we will lose. That's not to say its not worth trying but that we should assume failure, otherwise you end up like the UK's Brexit negotiators who were "all-in" on the "oh they'll buckle as the time runs out" strategy and have no plan if that doesn't pan out beyond "so what now?". The basic strategy right now seems to run o…

I’m saying framing the climate crisis as “lost” is a bad way to gain support for positive change.

Re: Stop the Earn IT Bill Before It Breaks Encryption

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Back in late medieval europa most postal services had a back room, called cabinet noir where letters where carefully opened, read and resealed to check them for signs of treason against the crown or cross. These were often abused for what we today would call economic espionage. For these reasons many rich people employed private couriers who traveled to their business partners in person to hand over messages. Those w…

> Today many argue the state has a need to access such correspondence to prevent crime, but such a need is like the need of an addict: nothing good can come from it and the people should not enable these institutions to satisfy an ever growing demand for insight into their private lives. One must remember that democracy is founded on the believe that thoughts and words are not crimes and everyone must be free to expr…

> We should not be arguing that that nothing good comes out of surveillance.

The problem is that we, the people, can never know what, if any, good is coming out of surveillance. Attorney General Barr admitted that in one of his speeches arguing for back doors in encryption. The government cannot reveal what is being discovered through surveillance without disclosing sources and methods that it (understandably) wants to keep concealed from adversaries. But without that information we and our elected representatives cannot exercise proper oversight. And without proper oversight any such capability will be abused.

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