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Bose and Sonos have been playing fast and loose with user privacy and tracking data, so I wonder whether Apple are annoyed about that as well.
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I mean the answer to all of these and more is having lots of cash needing investment vehicles that do better than just passively investing it in the market. None of these companies are menacingly laughing in board rooms, they’re just seeing other companies prove markets for them and betting that they can compete. If you want to get that first party integration/advantage these companies are happy to partner with you,…
So you're saying Sonos'/Bose's efforts are trivial? Audio is a solved problem for five people and a pizza? What isn't? I mean, Apple is building a Hollywood studio. That's insane. I get the feeling nothing is safe. If Apple wants to do it, they'll do it. Same for Amazon.
I have no idea if Sonos’ products are trivial or not. If they’re just off-the-shelf-ish audio equipment and good software then maybe.
Bose definitely not because their R&D work is legendary. Hence why Apple bought them.
The movie studio thing isn’t as doom as you’re thinking. It’s just Apple writing checks and getting put their name on stuff. This isn’t Apple disrupting Hollywood or anything, they just need exclusive content for Apple TV+.
Much cheaper, much simpler, nothing to break ...
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Even if Jabra is better, how many people discover Jabra as they cycle through a bunch of pretty bad options? It's kind of like suggesting that Lenovo's T14s (I picked it at random) laptop is better and cheaper than a Macbook, so why would anyone a Macbook: People still have to wade through the X1 series, the P series, the rest of the T series, the X series, the Yoga series, the E series, the L series, the 11e series,…
Isn't that the point we are making here? This would eventually lead to a handful of companies dominating so many major markets. Jabra, Spotify are not competing with Apple on just merit. Apple has the advantage of pushing Airpods, Apple Music on their Macbook/iPhone customers because they have the cash and branding space on a red carpet for them.
We all want to blame a boogeyman for all of our problems. There are plenty of alternatives available to Apple Music, the iphone, and the airpods. How many brands make wireless earbuds? how many phones? and Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, etc, all offer competing music streaming services.
Apple certainly leverages many advantages is has, so does every other company. That doesn't make it monopolistic.
Is "quietly" really the appropriate word here? Do stores typically put out announcements when they stop stocking certain products? If not, "quietly" just seems to be a way to create an air of vague menace and treachery without saying it.
If you want an example of Apple not doing something quietly, consider how they stopped carrying Fortnite on the App Store, or the policy they tried to implement wrt the Unreal Engine.
If there had been some public spat with Bose in the run-up to this, and/or they announced a policy decision related to selling their hardware, it would not be quietly.
Is "quietly" really the appropriate word here? Do stores typically put out announcements when they stop stocking certain products? If not, "quietly" just seems to be a way to create an air of vague menace and treachery without saying it.
I initially agreed, but after some thought I've changed my mind; it is appropriate. If you want an example of Apple not doing something quietly, consider how they stopped carrying Fortnite on the App Store, or the policy they tried to implement wrt the Unreal Engine. If there had been some public spat with Bose in the run-up to this, and/or they announced a policy decision related to selling their hardware, it would…
That's a tautology, or at least a trivial claim. It can be reduced to, "if it were a public spat, it would be a public spat." Hope I'm not being uncharitable here.
Apple didn't advertise they were dropping FortNite. It was not on the front of the App Store (outside of conspicuously recommending competitors). Apple only released legal and policy statements. These are only warranted when there are policy infractions Apple wants to enforce (eg violating App Store Guidelines). Dropping Bose or Sonos was not due to policy infractions, anymore than Walmart dropping Amazon products is. There is a fundamental difference between "We dropped this product for economic reasons, but it may return" and "We have banned this product because it violates the policies and terms we have set out, and it is no longer welcome."
Apple _has_ to respond to policy infractions. Otherwise they're effectively abandoning the policy. [0]
[0] Note: I'm not defending the App Store policies here, but rather saying that the App Store policies discussion doesn't pertain to this discussion.
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So you're saying Sonos'/Bose's efforts are trivial? Audio is a solved problem for five people and a pizza? What isn't? I mean, Apple is building a Hollywood studio. That's insane. I get the feeling nothing is safe. If Apple wants to do it, they'll do it. Same for Amazon.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I just made a general statement about what it takes to get a partnership with a med-large tech company where there are strong cultural biases toward build over buy. I have no idea if Sonos’ products are trivial or not. If they’re just off-the-shelf-ish audio equipment and good software then maybe. Bose definitely not because their R&D work is legendary. Hence why Apple bought them. T…
Is it? I've always found Bose sound quality to be objectively bad compared to other brands at similar prices.
They're not absolutely bad, just bad in terms of sound-quality-for-dollar. By a lot. Compared to e.g. Edifier or Klipsch (for speakers) or Beyerdynamic (for headphones) which fall around the same price ballpark as many popular Bose products but IMO sound way better.
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I initially agreed, but after some thought I've changed my mind; it is appropriate. If you want an example of Apple not doing something quietly, consider how they stopped carrying Fortnite on the App Store, or the policy they tried to implement wrt the Unreal Engine. If there had been some public spat with Bose in the run-up to this, and/or they announced a policy decision related to selling their hardware, it would…
>If there had been some public spat with Bose in the run-up to this, and/or they announced a policy decision related to selling their hardware, it would not be quietly. That's a tautology, or at least a trivial claim. It can be reduced to, "if it were a public spat, it would be a public spat." Hope I'm not being uncharitable here. Apple didn't advertise they were dropping FortNite. It was not on the front of the App…
While it may be true that my claim is tautological (especially if we understand a tautology as a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form), that doesn’t make it false or irrelevant, which seems to be the implication.
When you say ‘That's a tautology, or at least a trivial claim. It can be reduced to, "if it were a public spat, it would be a public spat,’” I agree. It’s pretty self-evident. What I’m doing is highlighting that it was a public spat in the case of Fortnite, and wasn't in the case of Bose.
I think the bit you’re missing is that once we’ve established that there is a difference between something being a public spat and something not being a public spat, we can use a phrase (like quietly stops) to add that information into a statement. Thus there’s a point to saying quietly, and the word is appropriate. That’s the point I’m making.
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My home is all Apple products, but we returned our two HomePods after we learned that we can't use them as a stereo pair if we're playing off a computer (unless the source is iTunes). We could use our iPhone to play to the stereo pair from any app. But on the Mac, they disallow this. You can't even get them to both play the same audio — you have to choose one of them to play and the other to sit silent. This is ridic…
There was a program for the mac, at some point, which could hijack audio from any application and stream it over airplay. It would be a silly work-around, but maybe something for people to try if otherwise like the HomePod
Is "quietly" really the appropriate word here? Do stores typically put out announcements when they stop stocking certain products? If not, "quietly" just seems to be a way to create an air of vague menace and treachery without saying it.