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Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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TIL: “The best theory is inspired by practice. The best practice is inspired by theory.” (by Don aka "Yoda")

An unpopular opinion: time until the end of ECC = 20 years

Good links:

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_logarithm_records

[2] https://dldb.loria.fr

[3] http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/arch/discrete.logs.pdf

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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TIL: “The best theory is inspired by practice. The best practice is inspired by theory.” (by Don aka "Yoda") An unpopular opinion: time until the end of ECC = 20 years Good links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_logarithm_records [2] https://dldb.loria.fr [3] http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/arch/discrete.logs.pdf

why unpopular? and why 20 years?

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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TIL: “The best theory is inspired by practice. The best practice is inspired by theory.” (by Don aka "Yoda") An unpopular opinion: time until the end of ECC = 20 years Good links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_logarithm_records [2] https://dldb.loria.fr [3] http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/arch/discrete.logs.pdf

why unpopular? and why 20 years?

EDIT: 10 years without quantum computer. I am an optimist!

A: because this record is on binary fields.

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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TIL: “The best theory is inspired by practice. The best practice is inspired by theory.” (by Don aka "Yoda") An unpopular opinion: time until the end of ECC = 20 years Good links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_logarithm_records [2] https://dldb.loria.fr [3] http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/arch/discrete.logs.pdf

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. 20 years is a long time in cryptography, and it'll be surprising if more than a handful of current cryptoprimitives live that long.

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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TIL: “The best theory is inspired by practice. The best practice is inspired by theory.” (by Don aka "Yoda") An unpopular opinion: time until the end of ECC = 20 years Good links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_logarithm_records [2] https://dldb.loria.fr [3] http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/arch/discrete.logs.pdf

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. 20 years is a long time in cryptography, and it'll be surprising if more than a handful of current cryptoprimitives live that long.

EDIT: there isn't any unpopular opinion :-)

Qs: What about AES? RSA first or ECC?

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. 20 years is a long time in cryptography, and it'll be surprising if more than a handful of current cryptoprimitives live that long.

EDIT: there isn't any unpopular opinion :-) Qs: What about AES? RSA first or ECC?

AES is one of the few that I'm pretty confident will be around for a while. RSA already has a lot of caveats to its use and they will undoubtedly grow. In my completely uneducated opinion, it's even odds on RSA vs ECC first.

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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TIL: “The best theory is inspired by practice. The best practice is inspired by theory.” (by Don aka "Yoda") An unpopular opinion: time until the end of ECC = 20 years Good links: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_logarithm_records [2] https://dldb.loria.fr [3] http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/arch/discrete.logs.pdf

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. 20 years is a long time in cryptography, and it'll be surprising if more than a handful of current cryptoprimitives live that long.

I would be shocked if SHA-256 is fundamentally broken in the next 20 years. I also think AES will remain substantially as strong as it currently is in that timeframe, with cryptanalytic weaknesses dominated by particular block cipher modes rather than the substitution-permutation network itself.

Re: Computation of a 30750-Bit Binary Field Discrete Logarithm

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion. 20 years is a long time in cryptography, and it'll be surprising if more than a handful of current cryptoprimitives live that long.

I would be shocked if SHA-256 is fundamentally broken in the next 20 years. I also think AES will remain substantially as strong as it currently is in that timeframe, with cryptanalytic weaknesses dominated by particular block cipher modes rather than the substitution-permutation network itself.

AES is one of the few that has a pretty good shot at it, yeah. SHA-2 has had its margin eroded significantly over the last 10 years. I'd feel nervous about using it in security-critical applications now, never mind 20 years down the line.

ECB is insecure regardless of which cipher you use. There's no excuse for using it in production applications.

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