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Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

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I'm not a physicist but have been reading up on this topic (gravity, general relativity etc.,).

Could someone please ELI5 to me why hasn't Schwarzschild been awarded Nobel prize? I read that his work played a big role in discovery of Black Hole and the concept in general. Heck, his name even appears no less than 19 times in the Nobel Committee's article [1]!!

[1] https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2020/10/advanced-physicsp...

Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

#52

I'm not a physicist but have been reading up on this topic (gravity, general relativity etc.,). Could someone please ELI5 to me why hasn't Schwarzschild been awarded Nobel prize? I read that his work played a big role in discovery of Black Hole and the concept in general. Heck, his name even appears no less than 19 times in the Nobel Committee's article [1]!! [1] https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2020/10/advanced-ph…

Nobels are not awarded posthumously, and he died in WWI.

On that subject, “Einstein’s War” is an interesting read on the interplay between WWI and the development of general relativity.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

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I'm not a physicist but have been reading up on this topic (gravity, general relativity etc.,). Could someone please ELI5 to me why hasn't Schwarzschild been awarded Nobel prize? I read that his work played a big role in discovery of Black Hole and the concept in general. Heck, his name even appears no less than 19 times in the Nobel Committee's article [1]!! [1] https://www.nobelprize.org/uploads/2020/10/advanced-ph…

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Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the day they each led research to detect irrefutable evidence of it. This isn't anything new and groundbreaking.

I think that's rather unfair. The measurements are still ongoing with ever-increasing accuracy. In 2018 they managed to record the closest approach of the star S2, measuring a velocity of 7000 km/s at its maximum. This was after mapping the full 16 year orbit. I know that Genzel is still actively researching this topic with his group, see e.g. https://www.mpe.mpg.de/7433286/news20200416

That is true, but the prize was awarded to Genzel for “for the __discovery__ of a supermassive compact object at the centre of our galaxy” (emphasis mine), not for the (impressive no doubt) follow-up work, so my comment was done in that context. That being said, I should have been a bit more enthusiastic about the infrared group's work to not appear dismissive on their ongoing contribution.

Fun fact: looks like we're both in MPE (although I left two years ago).

Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I heard about this, I seriously thought we just only discovered Sagittarius A* this year and that I must have fucked up my memories. Thanks for the clarification!

The Penrose-Hawking singularity theorems go back 55 years to work starting in 1965. No joke. This has be to near a record in time lag between the work the Nobel committee recognized and when that work was first published. Better late than never I guess (but too late for Hawking, as has been mentioned elsewhere..) EDIT - a detailed analysis: https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.5.2012/full...

I've always thought Nobel prizes are awarded based on the winners' works in that particular year so this came as huge surprise.

Too late for Hawking indeed, he could've very well been one of the winners today.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

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> Roger Penrose used ingenious mathematical methods in his proof that black holes are a direct consequence of Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity.

Where can I learn more about these ingenious math models in a way that an adult can understand, but one that's been out of math for a while? Is there a good YouTube video?

I'm searching but it's coming up with many hour-long lectures by Roger Penrose that seem unrelated to the specifics of thise prize

Re: The Nobel Prize in Physics 2020

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Congrats! Am so happy that Penrose lived long enough to be able to see an actual movie of a black hole ;)

Monitoring the Morphology of M87* in 2009-2017 with the Event Horizon Telescope

https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.11842

And when all is said and done I believe his insights into the Quantum Correlates of Human Consciousness may end up being the most fruitful

Consciousness in the Universe: Neuroscience, Quantum Space-Time Geometry and Orch OR Theory

https://web.archive.org/web/20120616045402/http://www.quantu...

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