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Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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(Of course you got downvoted...) How can Apple be, 1. An operating system and business software company 2. A cell phone company 3. An exclusive marketplace for apps 4. A movie studio and streaming service 5. A music studio and streaming service 6. A hardware company whose products predominantly work with and favor other Apple branded hardware 7. ... How can Google, Amazon, and Apple all do this? Pretty soon they're g…

You nailed it so well in this comment, I have been pointing out this from when they launched Apple Music. The classic excuse which people hide behind is "but they don't have a monopoly". Sure, they don't have a monopoly in precise terms. But the power they have to push products in new verticals is just unfair to the competition as they can't compete on equal terms. Jabra's parent company in total earns less than 10%…

Wait until you hear about General Electric and their subdivisions - their massive market dominance made them so competitive it allowed them to shrink quite a bit so many of these are past tense. They made lightbulbs, generators, appliances, aviation electronics, healthcare and have their own finance and research wing. They never came anywhere close in scope to GE. Seriously why the massively different standard for "tech giants"?

The only thing I can say is calm down. Electronics hardware manufacturing company makes electronics isn't anti-trust, it isn't even news.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Bose and Sonos have been playing fast and loose with user privacy and tracking data, so I wonder whether Apple are annoyed about that as well.

Their data sharing policies are nuts, but even Sony’s headphones app attempts to share your playlist back to Sony. It’s annoying.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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What do you mean HomePod is trash? I really love the sound quality from it, and it picks up when I speak to Siri from several rooms away

Does it work with Spotify?

What's the advantage of Spotify over Apple Music?

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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I am not a fan of earpod form factor at all but Jabra's wireless earphones are rated better by many sites like Wirecutter and at least I find the sound quality of Jabra much better.

Even if Jabra is better, how many people discover Jabra as they cycle through a bunch of pretty bad options? It's kind of like suggesting that Lenovo's T14s (I picked it at random) laptop is better and cheaper than a Macbook, so why would anyone a Macbook: People still have to wade through the X1 series, the P series, the rest of the T series, the X series, the Yoga series, the E series, the L series, the 11e series,…

Isn't that the point we are making here? This would eventually lead to a handful of companies dominating so many major markets.

Jabra, Spotify are not competing with Apple on just merit. Apple has the advantage of pushing Airpods, Apple Music on their Macbook/iPhone customers because they have the cash and branding space on a red carpet for them.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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It's tech media shorthand for "we just noticed this, but we're not sure when it actually happened"

Why does it matter even if you knew when it happened?

When a product disappears from the market, that's often a sign that a successor or replacement is on the way in the near future. In this case, it's possible that Apple is planning to step up their game in the product segments where these third-party devices compete. Of course, it's also possible that Apple simply doesn't find those third-party accessory sales to be worth the trouble any more.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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post #96

Bose and Sonos have been playing fast and loose with user privacy and tracking data, so I wonder whether Apple are annoyed about that as well.

Their data sharing policies are nuts, but even Sony’s headphones app attempts to share your playlist back to Sony. It’s annoying.

Yeah, Sony too. I replaced my Bose with Sonys, not an upgrade in so many ways.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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I’m not trying to be an annoying nitpick, you bring up good points and I have just a few observations... Apple Music curation. Has anyone been impressed by this? I found maybe 2-3 songs I didn’t already know about, over the course of at least a year. I was never impressed, even SiriusXM has more variety and relevancy. I think they blew the chance to really do something great. AppleTV+ makes me feel fatigued. Yes to b…

Not an annoying nitpick at all. Different perspectives are enlightening. No, I haven’t been impressed by Apple Music curation. But I haven’t been impressed with Spotify recommendations either. I dare say that the best approach will require equal parts algorithm and curation. As for Apple Card, that probably makes more sense in the USA where having many credit cards under different guises is commonplace. In Australia,…

The Apple Card isn’t really what’s classically called a store card to me (along the line of a Kohl’s or Sears card). To me, it’s more similar to a top tier airline rewards/cash back card.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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post #25

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(Of course you got downvoted...) How can Apple be, 1. An operating system and business software company 2. A cell phone company 3. An exclusive marketplace for apps 4. A movie studio and streaming service 5. A music studio and streaming service 6. A hardware company whose products predominantly work with and favor other Apple branded hardware 7. ... How can Google, Amazon, and Apple all do this? Pretty soon they're g…

You nailed it so well in this comment, I have been pointing out this from when they launched Apple Music. The classic excuse which people hide behind is "but they don't have a monopoly". Sure, they don't have a monopoly in precise terms. But the power they have to push products in new verticals is just unfair to the competition as they can't compete on equal terms. Jabra's parent company in total earns less than 10%…

Bose is indeed an iconic company. That said, as a long-time bose user their products are deteriorating in obvious ways. As a heavy traveller (pre-crisis) my first pair of quietcomfort headphones were fantastic. They were so far ahead of anything else I had ever owned that when in a jetlagged state a sadly left them behind when departing a plane I had no hesitation in immediately buying another. These lasted a quarter of the time I had the original pair before the pads became uncomfortable, split and I replaced them. Still a pretty good pair of headphones but the second time the pads fell apart I decided that it was time to relegate these headphones to "backup" status and upgrade to wireless.

I decided to get a bose pair even though I had reservations. They were ok - the sound quality was not as good as either of the previous wired pairs, but I figured that was the price you pay for the convenience of bluetooth wireless. They worked well until like my first pair I left them on a plane.

OK no more bose - I bought a pair of Sennheisers. For the first month these were fantastic and half the cost of bose. I liked them so much when my wife wanted headphones I bought her an identical pair. Then one day they just decided they would no longer pair with my bluetooth devices. No idea why, no way of fixing them and when I looked online lots of other people have had the same problem and end up sending them back to Sennheiser and getting a replacement pair. I can't be bothered to do this so I go back to bose.

My latest pair of bose QC headphones are by far the worst. The audio quality is worse than any previous pair of bose headphones I've owned, and the microphone is so poorly placed that I've given up using them for calls - whenever I did this in the past I ended up spending half the call explaining to the other person that I didn't need to speak up - I was already talking unreasonably loudly it was just that the microphone didn't work properly.

Headphones seem to be going through the "tornado" phase right now where demand is soaring and quality is plummetting. The way for Bose to distinguish itself would be to go back to making good noise-cancelling headphones (which it used to do very well) but I think it is most likely they will follow the race to the bottom and get crushed by larger competitors.

As a long-time fan of Bose headphones at the moment I won't be sad to see them disappear.

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