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Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by ksec »

echelon wrote: post #25
dheera wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> air of vague menace and treachery (a) Considering their track record of wanting to monopolize and control markets, I wouldn't put it past them. (b) Many stores do put out announcements if they remove products for ideological reasons.

(Of course you got downvoted...) How can Apple be, 1. An operating system and business software company 2. A cell phone company 3. An exclusive marketplace for apps 4. A movie studio and streaming service 5. A music studio and streaming service 6. A hardware company whose products predominantly work with and favor other Apple branded hardware 7. ... How can Google, Amazon, and Apple all do this? Pretty soon they're g…

I actually have no problem with them being a 1-3, I just dont understand why they had to do 4 and 5.

Music was understandable given there are no Streaming Music alternative other than Spotify. ( But Apple Music still sucks after so many years, and barely caught on to Spotify ). But Making Apple Originals? Pouring Billions into it?

And Apple Card? Yes I think Banking and Finance will be there soon. If they have some sort of Apple Cash will minimal cash balance that doesn't require as much regulation as a bank, they will start with a potential 1 Billion customers. And then you have insurance, investment options....

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by echelon »

Spivak wrote: post #39
echelon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Of course you got downvoted...) How can Apple be, 1. An operating system and business software company 2. A cell phone company 3. An exclusive marketplace for apps 4. A movie studio and streaming service 5. A music studio and streaming service 6. A hardware company whose products predominantly work with and favor other Apple branded hardware 7. ... How can Google, Amazon, and Apple all do this? Pretty soon they're g…

I mean the answer to all of these and more is having lots of cash needing investment vehicles that do better than just passively investing it in the market. None of these companies are menacingly laughing in board rooms, they’re just seeing other companies prove markets for them and betting that they can compete. If you want to get that first party integration/advantage these companies are happy to partner with you,…

So you're saying Sonos'/Bose's efforts are trivial? Audio is a solved problem for five people and a pizza?

What isn't?

I mean, Apple is building a Hollywood studio. That's insane.

I get the feeling nothing is safe. If Apple wants to do it, they'll do it. Same for Amazon.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by ponker »

neilfrndes wrote: post #15
thinkingkong wrote: post #9

Bose had to have seen this coming. The patent on noise cancelling expired and now its a free for all. Plus, its apples store. Every item would have been listed at apples sole discretion.

>patent on noise cancelling expired Looks like Bose has multiple patents for noise cancelling technology. Did a major one expire?

Well they are still the leaders but the patents that are now expired give good-enough of an experience for most regular users.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #36
dzhiurgis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it work without Apple Music subscription yet?

It works as an Airplay target, a HomeKit hub, and for Siri.

I was blown away when I found out they don’t work as a simple AUX device. My friend has homepods but she was using TV speakers because they can’t accept TV audio. She said it kind of works with Apple TV but audio sync is an issue and that still leaves out things like Nintendo Switch games or movies played off a laptop. Crazy to me that they don’t have AUX in. She recently got a pair of $130 powered speakers from amazon that work great. She only had AirPods because she works at Apple and they gave them to her to dogfood...

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by notJim »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #44
LeoPanthera wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It works as an Airplay target, a HomeKit hub, and for Siri.

I was blown away when I found out they don’t work as a simple AUX device. My friend has homepods but she was using TV speakers because they can’t accept TV audio. She said it kind of works with Apple TV but audio sync is an issue and that still leaves out things like Nintendo Switch games or movies played off a laptop. Crazy to me that they don’t have AUX in. She recently got a pair of $130 powered speakers from amaz…

That's not really what this type of speaker is for. It's more a speaker for your bedroom or kitchen that you use from your phone or via voice. My Sonos One doesn't have Aux in either, although some of the other speakers do.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

#46

Post by epicureanideal »

echelon wrote: post #42
Spivak wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the answer to all of these and more is having lots of cash needing investment vehicles that do better than just passively investing it in the market. None of these companies are menacingly laughing in board rooms, they’re just seeing other companies prove markets for them and betting that they can compete. If you want to get that first party integration/advantage these companies are happy to partner with you,…

So you're saying Sonos'/Bose's efforts are trivial? Audio is a solved problem for five people and a pizza? What isn't? I mean, Apple is building a Hollywood studio. That's insane. I get the feeling nothing is safe. If Apple wants to do it, they'll do it. Same for Amazon.

Maybe this is a good thing?

Companies that have developed the ability to do things well enter new industries and raise the bar.

Also it weakens them in their core industries if they take their eye off the ball, giving more opportunities in their core industry.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by sjwright »

ksec wrote: post #41
echelon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Of course you got downvoted...) How can Apple be, 1. An operating system and business software company 2. A cell phone company 3. An exclusive marketplace for apps 4. A movie studio and streaming service 5. A music studio and streaming service 6. A hardware company whose products predominantly work with and favor other Apple branded hardware 7. ... How can Google, Amazon, and Apple all do this? Pretty soon they're g…

I actually have no problem with them being a 1-3, I just dont understand why they had to do 4 and 5. Music was understandable given there are no Streaming Music alternative other than Spotify. ( But Apple Music still sucks after so many years, and barely caught on to Spotify ). But Making Apple Originals? Pouring Billions into it? And Apple Card? Yes I think Banking and Finance will be there soon. If they have some s…

Apple Music is mostly a holdover from the decade of the iPod and iTunes Music Store. They already had a strong market position and it would have been capitalist suicide to abandon it wholesale. I don't agree that it sucks compared to Spotify, but it does cater to a different audience, preferring curation over algorithms.

Apple TV+ is indeed a curious one. Personally I think it's as simple as being a placeholder to allow Apple to make strategic choices in future, if they ever choose to compete aggressively with Netflix, Amazon etc.

I think the real weird one is finance. While Apple Pay is obvious, Apple Card is not. Banking is desperate for technological upheaval but many fintech start-ups are already doing a good job of this—at least in some countries like the UK.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by daveevad »

jjcm wrote: post #30
CharlesW wrote: post #14

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> HomePod is still trash though… Oh my, no. Say what you will about Siri, they sound wonderful. For example, they shame my Sonos Play:1s.

The experience depends on context. In a lot of ways HomePods feel similar to Dubai (bear with me on this analogy). If you're a reasonably well off person from a first world country, Dubai on the surface is really impressive. Huge public works projects with insane architecture lead to a city that's quite impressive. If you're a migrant worker from a third world country, the city is entirely different. Hash working con…

> HomePods feel similar to Dubai

That's an interesting analogy. Have you considered other products to fit this as well or is it something specific about Homepod?

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by AmericanChopper »

lstamour wrote: post #7
croissants wrote: post #2

Is "quietly" really the appropriate word here? Do stores typically put out announcements when they stop stocking certain products? If not, "quietly" just seems to be a way to create an air of vague menace and treachery without saying it.

I thought it was an appropriate description. I did not read any “menace” or “treachery” into the use of the word “quiet”. The rest of the article mentions that new headphones are on the way according to rumour, that only Logitech’s headphones and portable speakers were pulled rather than the entire line of Logitech accessories, and that up until now, Apple has been comfortable selling both its first party headphones…

This sounds like exactly the sort of vague menace the headline is designed to drum up.

Nobody is captive to the Apple store. There is literally thousands of other places anybody could buy peripherals from. And if you’ve spent much time looking at what they stock, you might notice that Apple tends to stock more peripherals in the categories that it’s not very good at making in house, so the exact opposite inference could also be made.

Re: Apple quietly stops selling Bose, Sonos and some Logitech gear

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Post by lotsofpulp »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #49
lstamour wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was an appropriate description. I did not read any “menace” or “treachery” into the use of the word “quiet”. The rest of the article mentions that new headphones are on the way according to rumour, that only Logitech’s headphones and portable speakers were pulled rather than the entire line of Logitech accessories, and that up until now, Apple has been comfortable selling both its first party headphones…

This sounds like exactly the sort of vague menace the headline is designed to drum up. Nobody is captive to the Apple store. There is literally thousands of other places anybody could buy peripherals from. And if you’ve spent much time looking at what they stock, you might notice that Apple tends to stock more peripherals in the categories that it’s not very good at making in house, so the exact opposite inference co…

Adding the word "quietly" screams clickbait to me. I guess they have to earn their money too, so it's just part of the world now.
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