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Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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thatcat wrote: post #333
Mirioron wrote: post #236

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> According to the National Sleep Foundation, about half of U.S. adult drivers admit to consistently getting behind the wheel while feeling drowsy. About 20% admit to falling asleep behind the wheel at some point in the past year – with more than 40% admitting this has happened at least once in their driving careers. From: https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safety-topics/fatigued-drivi... Those are enormous numbers. I w…

Wow so if you maximize economic growth at the cost of setting up a system that regularly requires a high degree of easily avoidable risk, then later you can use the "you're destroying the economy" argument to prevent any reasonable response that would lower that risk. That seems like a very irresponsible way of managing a system.

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Post by m463 »

GordonS wrote: post #50
pupdogg wrote: post #35

Comments on the site itself are pure gold as some are pointing out the various (mostly humorous) events that are not being actively tracked with their driver-facing camera. I will try to compile this list below: - DRIVER_ON_PASSENGER_SIDE - DRIVER_MISSING - DRIVER_PICKING_BOOGERS - DRIVER_SEAT_FULLY_RECLINED - DRIVER_SNORING - DRIVER_SHAVING - DRIVER_VAPING - DRIVER_LIVESTREAMING - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP - DRIVER_AP…

> - DRIVER_SHAVING > - DRIVER_ADJUSTING_MAKEUP > - DRIVER_APPLYING_LIPSTICK I've actually seen drivers doing all 3 of these. The shaving (with an electric razor, obviously) I only saw once, but I frequently see women applying makeup and lipstick.

need to step up production of the 5th element makeup applicator

https://youtu.be/eo4Ui53Ch1A

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Post by m463 »

deviation wrote: post #340
fudged71 wrote: post #46

Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…

What do you mean by snitch? I think it's a perfectly valid reason to "snitch" if the driver was truly at fault. There's some great reasons for driver-facing cameras- and if one of those trade-offs is that drivers are less likely to "get away" with causing a crash, then that's fine in my books. Bias feels like a different argument entirely, though I do share your concern about it...

When autopilot stuff hit the news years ago, tesla would immediately shift blame and publicize the telemetry output of the person in question's car.

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Post by hellisothers »

xeromal wrote: post #302
hellisothers wrote: post #70

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Yea a friend only drives older cars without ODB to avoid tracking anything (he’s pretty paranoid). But I’ll resist buying a car with a driver facing camera as long as I can, I don’t care how much they discount insurance premiums if you get one, it’s not worth it.

I mean you can just tape up the camera.

I’d imagine that disables a lot of things, not to mention is “suspicious”

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Post by Silhouette »

kbenson wrote: post #335
Silhouette wrote: post #327

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It's right there in the top comment that started this whole thread.

That is not where the context of this thread is. My comment clearly changed it to how sometimes it can be hard to know, and how experiencing it once can be useful to knowing what that feeling it. You responded to it. The context at this point is not about repeating that, you're mixing your threads, and likely arguing against points people are not making but you think they are because of that mistake.

Even if that is the case, my point stands. It is not normal to go from being a little tired to being so tired that you can actually fall asleep at the wheel just like that. I've done my share of long drives, including overnights across most of my country on occasion. If you're going to do something like that, you need to plan the journey sensibly, take plenty of breaks, make sure you got extra rest before you leave. Don't they teach this sort of stuff in basic driver training where you are?

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Post by xeromal »

hellisothers wrote: post #375
xeromal wrote: post #302

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I mean you can just tape up the camera.

I’d imagine that disables a lot of things, not to mention is “suspicious”

But it solves your problem of getting any car with one. The only thing you might potentially lose out on is autopilot or whatever other manufactures call it, but it's probably going to be required by regulation anyways.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #284
cycrutchfield wrote: post #268

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Then don't buy it?

The don't buy it argument has never held up. Look at phones, the options for a removable battery, sd card slot, 3.5mm jack are all gone on all but the most primitive/weird models of phones. If the general public goes against your preference then your preference will no longer be an option. For cars this likely means that the only way to get a car that isn't spyware/ad tech will be buying an old car before this happen…

Better buy a bike then. I’m glad that a small minority of luddites can’t hold everybody else back from making progress.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

xedeon wrote: post #273
dosshell wrote: post #231

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Correction: atleast both seeing machines and smart eye has system in cars today that are more advanced. (GM, BMW etc)

I have actually tried BMW Smart Eye and GM super cruise. Comma.ai’s Open Pilot driver monitoring is far superior to both of those. What OP was implying, is that the Tesla system mentioned on the article is on par with offerings from other OEMs from 14 years ago.

I don't believe you.

Open Pilot can't use your blindspot cameras or any other additional sensors in your car. If I try to merge into another lane, and someone is in my blind spot, Open Pilot will try (and will crash my car).

Super Cruise and Smart Eye don't have this problem.

And yes, I have an Open Pilot for my Lexus RX 450h.

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #378
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The don't buy it argument has never held up. Look at phones, the options for a removable battery, sd card slot, 3.5mm jack are all gone on all but the most primitive/weird models of phones. If the general public goes against your preference then your preference will no longer be an option. For cars this likely means that the only way to get a car that isn't spyware/ad tech will be buying an old car before this happen…

Better buy a bike then. I’m glad that a small minority of luddites can’t hold everybody else back from making progress.

Not everyone would agree that active cameras pointed at you and phoning home in otherwise semi private situations is progress.
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