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If anything you should be surprised such a thing is profitable, it's a textbook case of "the free market should have squeezed profits to zero".
Slightly pedantic comment here, but in economic theory, even in a perfectly competitive market, profits never drop to zero. Profits need to be high enough that owners of an enterprise don't decide to do something else with their time and money. These businesses may not make enough in profits to attract venture capital, but that doesn't mean they aren't more lucrative to the people running them than their other option…
The economics of vending machines
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Re: The economics of vending machines
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that dividing owning the capital (of the machines) and performing the service doesn’t really make sense in this circumstance. This isn’t a situation where you’re creating efficiency by specializing. What does the servicing company need you for? If all you do is own the machines, they can do that themselves without complicating their business at all.
there's no capital risk for the servicing company.
I think the difference here vs something like say owning a building and hiring a property management company is the negligible value of the machine compared to operating costs. The capital portion is such a small piece of the puzzle that just owning the capital and contracting out everything else isn’t going to be competitive. I think this is borne out by TFA, which doesn’t describe any owners working the way that parent suggests.
Re: The economics of vending machines
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because the barber wants to go home after a long day of cutting hair not go restock the machine. Better to get a small profit on an unused corner than deal with inventory management.
Except someone else sees the machine taking in cash, and says to the the barber “I’ll give you a 20% cut to swap out to my machine”. When the economics wake up, it’s a race to zero.
Personally ,I tend to weigh the (hard) benefits of cash and the (soft) costs of switching things before making a decision.
Re: The economics of vending machines
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure what you refer to as early dawn, but here in the Midwest all Dunkin’ Donuts and many Starbucks are open at 5am. Side note: it blows my mind each time I’m in California and I have to drive forty five minutes or more to find a Dunkin’.
Dunkin’ Donuts donuts are an abomination, unedible, atrocious. It’s no surprise to me you don’t see them as much, I’ve been waiting for that particular chain to die for quite some time.
Re: The economics of vending machines
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not really $200k in income. That number ignores the initial investment (and thus its associated cost of capital) as well as the economic depreciation of the machines (since you have to replace them after, say, 25 years). As I calculated in a different comment, the actual economic profit is negative.
If you're considering depreciation then you don't need to account for the initial imvestment, just the financing costs thereof. You're adding an asset and depreciating it, rather than considering it as 'money spent'.
Re: The economics of vending machines
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
They do require a "tobacco passport" to operate, which aims to make it harder for kids to buy them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taspo Then again, this is the same country where it's sufficient to self-certify by tapping a button that you're over 18 when buying hard liquor at the 7-11.
Is underage drinking a problem in Japan? Genuinely curious, I know salarymen feel obligated to drink with their bosses but have never heard about unruly drunk Japanese teenagers
For high school student or below, smoking is problem (So vending machine must have authenticate feature like card(Taspo) or face age recognition) but drinking is looks like not popular but still considered as problem.
Re: The economics of vending machines
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a bit myopic - $200k for two people for what's basically a no-skill gig is a pretty decent income in most of the country. At that scale it's not a side gig anymore, it's your primary income, and I can imagine the hours are probably comparable to a normal job. And really, I can think of way less appealing jobs that pay worse with less flexibility.
It's not really $200k in income. That number ignores the initial investment (and thus its associated cost of capital) as well as the economic depreciation of the machines (since you have to replace them after, say, 25 years). As I calculated in a different comment, the actual economic profit is negative.
It's not $200k in income because you have to stock the machine.
Re: The economics of vending machines
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure what you refer to as early dawn, but here in the Midwest all Dunkin’ Donuts and many Starbucks are open at 5am. Side note: it blows my mind each time I’m in California and I have to drive forty five minutes or more to find a Dunkin’.
> ...it blows my mind each time I’m in California and I have to drive forty five minutes or more to find a Dunkin’. It blows my mind that anybody would drive 45 minutes to find a Dunkin' in CA when local donut shops are everywhere and they are so much better (granted, Dunkin' is a pretty low bar).
Re: The economics of vending machines
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure what you refer to as early dawn, but here in the Midwest all Dunkin’ Donuts and many Starbucks are open at 5am. Side note: it blows my mind each time I’m in California and I have to drive forty five minutes or more to find a Dunkin’.
It blows my mind that someone would want to find a Dunkin’ in CA where there’s far better options, but to each their own!
Re: The economics of vending machines
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
This line doesn’t line up with the data also in the article. The gross margin on each product is about 40%, you then lose 15-25% on stocking the machines, plus have to pay for gas, a car, insurance, repairs, initial outlay of machines etc. You’re getting maybe 5% net margin.
Why do you have to be running around town stocking these machines yourself? Surely there are service companies who do this for you, just like US vending machines.