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How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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FYI, the worst side-effect of Modafinil (beyond addiction) is that it makes your urine smell bad (or worse depending on what kind of diet you already have.) When Modafinil metabolizes it breaks down into sulfur and sodium, so you get salty smelly urine.

How do you know it's salty?

Perhaps it also affects your behavior in strange ways.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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Am I the only one against performance enhancing drugs?

No. I am too. I have commented before on how offensive posts like this are for so many reasons. It ususally turns out to be me against the world. So I don't even bother anymore. But now that I saw your question, I decided to throw my 2 cents in (again). AFAIC, with few exceptions, everything we do is a marathon, not a sprint. So using crutches for sprints is, at best, myoptic. Any stimulant, I don't care which (food,…

It sounds less awful than binging on coffee. Like it or not, sometimes a lot of work has to be done in a short period of time.

I don't know why some people have such an aversion to tweaking the biochemical machine whichh they inhabit, except of course with caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, all of which are harmful and less effective for their intended purpose than manufactured drugs.

I don't think any drug has done as much damage to my body as the intense stress that I suffer from being unable to focus on a project unless against a deadline and the attempts to complete massive amounts of work overnight wit a fuzzy-headed caffeine-fueled incompetence.

I know I sounds dangerous and iconoclastic here, but I think many people would share my point of view if they weren't conditioned since they were 5-years-old with "drugs are bad" propaganda in their schools.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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post #6

Am I the only one against performance enhancing drugs?

I had a number of conversations with a musician friend about drugs and bands. He was pretty adamant about staying sober and clean while playing in a band, and his main reasoning was that when you're stoned or high, you just don't know when you sound like crap. When you're chemically altered, you always think you sound good. I've worked as an ER/Critical care nurse for 15 years, and I can say that categorically that a…

Well, plenty of people playing in bands sound like crap anyway.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

#44
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a number of conversations with a musician friend about drugs and bands. He was pretty adamant about staying sober and clean while playing in a band, and his main reasoning was that when you're stoned or high, you just don't know when you sound like crap. When you're chemically altered, you always think you sound good. I've worked as an ER/Critical care nurse for 15 years, and I can say that categorically that a…

The plural of "anecdote" is "anecdotes", not "data".

Wonderful.

And did you know one antonym for "I'm clueless, hold my hand" is "Google"?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=stimul...

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

#45
post #11

FYI, the worst side-effect of Modafinil (beyond addiction) is that it makes your urine smell bad (or worse depending on what kind of diet you already have.) When Modafinil metabolizes it breaks down into sulfur and sodium, so you get salty smelly urine.

How do you know it's salty?

I can't speak to the salinity, but I can confirm that your pee will stink terribly.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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post #9
post #6

Am I the only one against performance enhancing drugs?

No. I am too. I have commented before on how offensive posts like this are for so many reasons. It ususally turns out to be me against the world. So I don't even bother anymore. But now that I saw your question, I decided to throw my 2 cents in (again). AFAIC, with few exceptions, everything we do is a marathon, not a sprint. So using crutches for sprints is, at best, myoptic. Any stimulant, I don't care which (food,…

      I have commented before on how offensive posts like this are for so many reasons
It's one thing to disagree, its another thing entirely to claim this post is offensive.

Plenty of people don't drink alcohol, or coffee, because they believe (with plenty of reason) that its not good for them overall. That's a choice they're empowered to make. But to be offended by people who do drink coffee, or do drink alcohol, is silly. If you let the personal decisions of the rest of the world offend you so easily, you'll never get anything done with your own life.

The same logic applies here. Nobody is, for example, advocating that you must take drugs to succeed in your startup. It's certainly interesting to me (and probably others) to know to what extent other people go to try and get an edge.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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post #46
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I am too. I have commented before on how offensive posts like this are for so many reasons. It ususally turns out to be me against the world. So I don't even bother anymore. But now that I saw your question, I decided to throw my 2 cents in (again). AFAIC, with few exceptions, everything we do is a marathon, not a sprint. So using crutches for sprints is, at best, myoptic. Any stimulant, I don't care which (food,…

I have commented before on how offensive posts like this are for so many reasons It's one thing to disagree, its another thing entirely to claim this post is offensive. Plenty of people don't drink alcohol, or coffee, because they believe (with plenty of reason) that its not good for them overall. That's a choice they're empowered to make. But to be offended by people who do drink coffee, or do drink alcohol, is sill…

At the risk of misinterpreting edw myself, I think what he is getting at is not at all that he finds people who use (or as the case may be) Provigil or caffeine or what have you offensive.

Rather, it is that he finds it offensive that posts that seem to glorify or encourage such behavior (the OP certainly hints at that with the closing bit) end up so high on the main page and, in his mind, take away from more valuable discourse.

Personally I agree that this particular post is more news than not, though the recent post about the Liberal Arts PhD who was advocating marijuana use was borderline at best.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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post #44
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plural of "anecdote" is "anecdotes", not "data".

Wonderful. And did you know one antonym for "I'm clueless, hold my hand" is "Google"? http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=stimul...

No, I did not. I'm not sure I understand it, either. Can you find me the paper that says that stimulant-using musicians sound bad? Or the one that says all stimulant users make bad decisions? I didn't see it, and I need hand-holding.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, obviously, but I was barely able to with Modafinil. Perhaps better phrased: I wouldn't have been able to pull those hours without Modafinil. That, I have tried, and failed.

What? You _needed_ a drug to pull 13 hour work days with 5-6 hours of sleep? Did you try a cup or two of coffee?

It was more about the quality of those hours than about the quantity. Both my day job and my start-up were very challenging (I worked in a large consulting company, at an investment banking client... not the place to fall asleep on the job). The modafinil meant that each and everyone of those hours was highly productive, instead of spending most of that time in a zombie-like state.

Of course I tried coffee. It really doesn't help me that much, though. I end up feeling very awake, sure, but very jittery (not good when projecting an air of confidence to your clients at the bank) and even more distractable (considering how distractable I am to begin with, that's something!). Modafinil, on the other hand, focuses me like a laser.

Re: How Many Silicon Valley Startup Executives Are Hopped Up On Provigil?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I am too. I have commented before on how offensive posts like this are for so many reasons. It ususally turns out to be me against the world. So I don't even bother anymore. But now that I saw your question, I decided to throw my 2 cents in (again). AFAIC, with few exceptions, everything we do is a marathon, not a sprint. So using crutches for sprints is, at best, myoptic. Any stimulant, I don't care which (food,…

It sounds less awful than binging on coffee. Like it or not, sometimes a lot of work has to be done in a short period of time. I don't know why some people have such an aversion to tweaking the biochemical machine whichh they inhabit, except of course with caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, all of which are harmful and less effective for their intended purpose than manufactured drugs. I don't think any drug has done as…

An opposite view is that people don't like drugs because they see so many kids today being prescribed them like candy and it turns out sometimes thats not good for them. "Drugs are good" can often do just as much harm.
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