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Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by ogre_codes »

cptskippy wrote: post #61
ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

> I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Have you tried to address this issue? This seems like a huge safety concern and you're actively choosing to put others in harms way by continuing to drive.

Yes. Mostly I just learned to recognize when I'm getting tired and pull over and take a nap which is a massive help. Also, it's pretty uncommon for me to drive solo anymore so it's far less of an issue.

Oddly, it was a bigger issue when I was younger. It hasn't happened to me in quite a few years, but the awareness of it has lingered, thus my desire to take extra precautions.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by ogre_codes »

gamblor956 wrote: post #67
ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

In some states your medical condition would prevent you from getting (or renewing) a driver's license. You need to talk to a doctor immediately because you're an active risk to other people on the road.

See my comment in the other thread.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by gamblor956 »

Bedon292 wrote: post #25
gamblor956 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per history: Tesla releases driver data whenever it suits them. See: every autopilot crash.

If you don't opt in, they shouldn't have the data to release. At least until they swap it to an opt out quietly.

Right. Should.

But given Tesla's history of skirting other legal rules, and their history of releasing driver data from autopilot accidents, I would expect the opt-out to operate more as "we record anyway and then delete it after the fact if you opt out and we don't need the data to protect Tesla."

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by yardie »

fudged71 wrote: post #46

Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…

If a driver was inattentive and had a crash wouldn't they be at fault regardless of ADHD or Tourets?

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by addflip »

oh_sigh wrote: post #59
addflip wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. You're right. This is why I put a piece black electrical tape over the rear-facing camera in my Model Y.

Does that mean you have no backup camera now?

No. They have a rear-facing camera that shows the interior of the car and then they have one that is located above the license plate.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by ogre_codes »

nexuist wrote: post #68
cptskippy wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Have you tried to address this issue? This seems like a huge safety concern and you're actively choosing to put others in harms way by continuing to drive.

I agree. If this is something like e.g. narcolepsy, you should see a doctor. There are a few low-risk prescriptions worth looking into. When I used to pull 18 hour days, I would also notice myself getting tired behind the wheel, but never fully falling asleep. My low-tech solution to this was to set an alarm for 10 minutes after I started driving and setting the alarm volume to max. Then, the alarm would go off in th…

> When I used to pull 18 hour days, I would also notice myself getting tired behind the wheel, but never fully falling asleep.

This is fairly similar to what would trigger it with me. My solution was to ensure I have passengers or let someone else drive.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by bArray »

happytoexplain wrote: post #42
bArray wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a joke, not a real call-out. I was just making the point that as programmers we should be careful about naming things in code, because one day they might be taken out of context.

I don't understand what you mean when you say "it" was a joke, but also the point you were making was not a joke. What is "it" if not the point being made by the comment?

I'll quote my other comment here:

> The _joke_ was that it mentions "DARK" as a method of

> detecting whether somebody is damaging a vehicle:

> > CEO Elon Musk said that it would be used to prevent people

> > from vandalizing cars when they are being driven

> > automatically on Tesla’s upcoming self-driving robotaxi

> > network.

> The _joke_ was that if removed from context, somebody could

> insinuate that they are measuring whether people are black to

> detect if they are likely to damage a vehicle.

Jokes can have a half-serious point behind them (for example, political jokes). To really break it down:

Joke: Clearly Tesla's inclusion of the parameter "DARK" is not in reference to black persons, but somebody taking an unfavorable view of the article could make it.

Point: Programmers should be more aware of what they name things to avoid such cases. You might think "well this is a closed source app and should never be leaked, there's no way the public would be reading this" - and yet some years after MS-DOS and Word were written people are reading all sorts of things [1].

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/26/5549208/microsoft-early-c...

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by notyourwork »

yardie wrote: post #74
fudged71 wrote: post #46

Tesla has a history of using remote diagnostics to snitch on drivers instead of allowing investigators to do their job. It’s a valid concern that your car manufacturer will use the interior cameras to blame a crime on you. These automatic tagging features also bring to question the bias in algorithms. What does this mean for drivers with disabilities? Is it possible that a safe driver with ADHD or Turrets etc might b…

If a driver was inattentive and had a crash wouldn't they be at fault regardless of ADHD or Tourets?

Falsely flagged is the keyword your statement ignores.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by uniqueid »

whalesalad wrote: post #57

I love that the car is capturing this data. I would imagine Tesla engineers on the analysis side of this data are thinking "holy shit, look how much time our drivers are spending not paying attention at all, we need to do something about this." They need this data for regulatory reasons, anyway. At some point they need confidence to say how people are really (ab)using their self-driving tech.

  "holy shit, look how much time our drivers are spending not paying attention at all, we need to do something about this."
"Quick, man, contact PR straight away to write a belligerent, categorical denial! There's no time to lose!"

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Post by heavyset_go »

ogre_codes wrote: post #56

One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly. I don't want autopilot so I can actually sleep at the wheel, I want it in case I do . I'd vastly prefer if the car noticed I was inattentive that it notified me. My feeling is for long drives this would be a safety feature, b…

> One of the reasons I would love to have autopilot is because I have a history of dozing off at the wheel. Never so much where I've had an accident, but bad enough where I've scared myself badly.

This is pretty selfish. If you're falling asleep at the wheel enough that you want Tesla's Autopilot to save you, you have a problem.

I've seen Tesla cars do absolutely insane maneuvers on the freeway that no sober driver would ever consider doing, only to find out that the person behind the wheel is asleep or doing another task other than driving.

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