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Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

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Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#11

Sadly, one of the reasons I will never buy a Tesla. The lack of privacy concerns me.

Per the article: This is opt in. It seems like they're working on an on-board system to detect distracted drivers.

> This is opt in.

It's opt-in until an insurance company mandates it (or heavily encourages it).

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article: This is opt in. It seems like they're working on an on-board system to detect distracted drivers.

Per history: Tesla releases driver data whenever it suits them. See: every autopilot crash.

Yep. You're right. This is why I put a piece black electrical tape over the rear-facing camera in my Model Y.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#16
post #9

Sadly, one of the reasons I will never buy a Tesla. The lack of privacy concerns me.

I think detecting when a driver is falling asleep could be an amazing safety feature. You would need privacy guarantees about where camera data is going, but I think it would be worth the tradeoff.

> I think detecting when a driver is falling asleep could be an amazing safety feature.

Welcome to 14 years ago, which is when Toyota first introduced their DMS/DAM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_Monitoring_System

More generally, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_drowsiness_detection

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per the article: This is opt in. It seems like they're working on an on-board system to detect distracted drivers.

Per history: Tesla releases driver data whenever it suits them. See: every autopilot crash.

They do not. They release their analysis of the data in question.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#18
'graybox' AI products (mostly automatic but periodically return emergency control to pesky human) are going to need to model driver alertness

the car certainly should warn you at lower danger threshold if it thinks you'll need more time to return to full attention

(even in a zero-shame case, like for example you're checking your mirror but the car thinks there's a hazard in front)

separate question of 4th / 5th amendment consequences of using this for crash liability

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#19
This will be very useful. I'm always watching the road anyway, it would be nice not to have to put the right tension on the wheel the whole time.

This is what I envied about other lane keeping cars, I think Cruise uses eye tracking, or maybe it was something else.

Re: Tesla hacker reveals what driver-facing camera is looking for

#20
post #9

Sadly, one of the reasons I will never buy a Tesla. The lack of privacy concerns me.

I think detecting when a driver is falling asleep could be an amazing safety feature. You would need privacy guarantees about where camera data is going, but I think it would be worth the tradeoff.

There are a lot of features that are, in and of themselves, really great, but I would not use until the privacy and data sharing issues are resolved. This is unfortunately a growing problem that many device manufacturers and software makers are making worse.
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