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Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#71
My background in software hacking, from 20 years ago, was all remotely working with other people over text. So working from home always feels natural and productive to me. I'm able to think better this way than in person with physical distractions and having to talk in realtime rather than thinking carefully about each thing I say.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#72
No, my take is that if your strategy for new ideas and productivity at work is random conversations then you’re doing something wrong. If you’re doing work then figure out what that work is and schedule a time for it with the right people.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#73
1) Not applicable because I was remote before the pandemic

2) Yes, and I have A LOT. Predicate- I’m the tech lead, so it helps I can set team culture. However, here are some things that help- a) pick up the phone after the 3rd IM. Instant messaging and Teams/slack channels are great, but they partially eliminate the spontaneity you are talking about. If I’m more than 3 messages into the conversation, I pick up the phone and call (if both parties can talk). And once the immediate problem is over I don’t hang up. I ask how things are going, ask about family, tell them I have this cool new idea, etc. It builds trust and pretty quickly we get to feel comfortable bouncing ideas off each other.

b) I’ve expanded my network via shared interests. I run a “app development” book club. I run a series of meetings where people do a quick presentation on their non work passions and then we chat. I volunteer for side projects and charity work. All this is remote. And, importantly, I follow up with people I find interesting for 1-1s.

C) I consider the time spent in A and B just as much a part of my job as writing code or managing the backlog. It turns out, being on-site generates a lot of unplanned and invisible work- those talks in the kitchen, the pre and post meeting jokes and follow ups, the afterwork drinks. That all is WORK. Fun work, but also unplanned and untracked work. Going remote reduces the amount those activities happen, so you have to become more conscious about making time for it. People new to remote working (myself included) will often feel guilty about doing socialization activities in a deliberate manner (like purposefully making small talk after a call) even if they really think about or measure their time spent the amount they are engaged in those activities are way down. Don’t feel guilty for “slacking” with you coworkers. It’s actually part of the job.

Note- I do work slightly longer hours than I did before going remote, but I feel it’s more than made up for by time spent commuting or at volun-obligatory happy hours and events.

Oh, one last thing- try to keep ad how meetings to 4 or less people. You couldn’t fit that many in your office, but it’s almost impossible to socially engage with more than that on a video call.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#74
No, and I do miss them. The important ones are with people I don't normally have direct interaction with COO, CFO, VPs I can catch then in the kitchen, or on the way to the train to get 1on1 time that is otherwise impossible to get.

There are not that many random conversations in the office normally. Open plan so everyone has headphones on and conversations are via Slack even before Covid.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#75
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Our Friday stand-up is pretty much an opportunity to share a song from a year and why it's meaningful to you personally. The idea was suggested by our scrum master last June and it has gone down well. It's been good for maintaining the bonds while remote working and also learn a bit more about colleagues. That and having an understanding that everyone has ups and downs especially as we will face into winter and the u…

Can I ask if it has gone down well because it actually did or because as in most of these things, people are 'afraid to speak up' and just go along with it? I can't even imagine being in one of those calls. I prefer my personal life to have a good buffer from my work life (thus I speak about it as little as possible) and same for my co-workers personal lives. I've seen these kinds of 'calls/meetings' to improve relat…

As much as I advocate structure, I’ve never gone down there path of formalizing any sort of sharing of personal info, even about songs.

However, as a lead I think it’s important to set an example by voluntarily sharing at least some of my personal life. It opens the space for others who need to vent. Not everyone on my team does- some just need to hear that others are people too, and some are probably just indifferent.

I do have bounds though- I never share inter personal conflicts except with happy endings or as amusing anecdotes (such as my young daughter refusing to wear anything but her princess costume), and while I try to encourage people to share news of life’s tragedies and triumphs, team calls are not group therapy. I’ll happily talk more with people 1-1 about real problems (tragically one of my team members spouse passed recently. We talked about her and their journey multiple times), but other than news of her illness and passing we didn’t talk much about it publicly.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#77

No. We tried having daily "tea break" calls and weekly "Friday drinks" calls, but attendance was so low that we just cancelled them. Amongst people who were already friendly we still have private group chats in our work Slack, but the number of conversations is obviously far lower than when you're all in the kitchen making breakfast or tea in the morning. We had a conversation about why the daily and weekly open conv…

-> "Friday drinks" calls, but attendance was so low that we just cancelled them.

We have a 15 minute mandatory weekly review to start - it’s quite common for the session to last three hours.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#79
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No. We tried having daily "tea break" calls and weekly "Friday drinks" calls, but attendance was so low that we just cancelled them. Amongst people who were already friendly we still have private group chats in our work Slack, but the number of conversations is obviously far lower than when you're all in the kitchen making breakfast or tea in the morning. We had a conversation about why the daily and weekly open conv…

Same. I've worked at my current company over five years and have been a really strong IC. I used to talk to lots of people in the office from many various teams and backgrounds. Now I only talk to my lead and a handful of others. Work drags on every day and feels inhuman. It never "ends" now. I don't find any joy or satisfaction in it. I hate this, and I don't know how much longer I can put up with it. I don't even u…

That is sad to hear. By any chance do you live with others. I thankfully have my wife and two kids which helped, though I just moved from LA to SC, because it was so draconian. We have already talked to more neighbors in 5 days living here than we did in years living in LA. Point being the isolation is much less here because people all walk in the neighborhood and actually say hello and mean it. They don't in LA. But, I too am missing interactions at work terribly.

Re: Ask HN: Do you have inspiring spontaneous conversations while remote working?

#80
Two things that come to mind for me:

1. I have had some meaningful conversations while WFH, but only with direct team-members, and only people I knew while in the office. I used to sit next to a guy in another org who was really interesting, and since WFH started I don't see/hear him at all.

2. My large company had a relatively successful transition to full WFH, but as time goes on and we hire new people, I foresee a lot of trouble in maintaining healthy team dynamics. It seems like a lot of the success in the transition was based on the presence of already existing, successful teams. I wonder if teams would develop and mature with the same success if they began in a full WFH setting.

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